What to make of Mancini’s win over Jose Luis Ramirez?

Yep style make fights and Mancini's style was perfect for dealing with Ramirez. Mancini also seemed to handle southpaws pretty well. He did better against Camacho than I expected at the time.

Cheers All.

 

I'm going to offer up an alternate possibility -

Ray Mancini was incredibly determined to win the title for his father, and that's understating it.

Ramirez was the final barrier in front of that title shot. Mancini flogged him in a great performance.

Arguello was the final frontier and Mancini did indeed put up another fantastic effort. ATG Arguello was however a mountain too steep.

Manicini then finally wins the coveted title.

Is it possible/probable Mancini dropped off somewhat after winning the crown for his father? He was certainly never as impressive again?

Had he run his biggest race and tapered off?

 

Excellent post mate, an angle I had never thought about.

Cheers.

 

I can't argue his place in the world class level but his style was a nightmare for fighters hell the fight with Arguello was even going into the 10th as an example......and his fights with Bramble especially the rematch were close....swarmers with his strength, decent power, frenetic pacing are tough for any top ten fighter......having said that I know full well he was steered as a media darling and Dave Wolf had to avoid certain styles with him he made a huge mistake fighting Bramble especially in the state of mind he was in just a poor decision.

 

Mancini was a pretty good fighter. A little overrated in his prime, but underrated now. Overrated in that people thought he could beat Pryor maybe but underrated in that he was a good champion who had a great career. Bramble was a bad style for him but I was happy Ray made it to the HOF. I think he deserved it with his guts and exciting fights and underrated power and skills.

 

A lot better. He took a prime undefeated Camacho to an SD loss after a 4 year layoff no tune-ups. Mancini retired at 24, he had a lot more to give imo if he stuck around

 

I don't recall anyone thinking he could beat Pryor. Many thought it would be a great action fight but i don't recall anyone thinking Mancini would win.

 

Camacho had been slipping for a couple of years.

After decisioning Howard Davis in early '87 he went AWOL. Then he barely edged (and was dropped) against Reyes Cruz.

That was a post-Rosario rusty, safety first Camacho against Mancini

True, Mancini did better than expected - but this matchup was five years too late.

Neither were anywhere near as good as they were in '84.

 

Again, I love Ray as a warrior .. I just personally find the Ramirez fight very dicey when you figure how much was vested in promoting Ray .. I have no proof but that is why the sport is filled with tank jobs that are successful .. Ray was in brutal nip and tuck fights with Kim, Romero and Bramble .. all tough guys but none terrific talents .. Ramirez fought and defeated an exceptional Rosario and lost a razor thin fight to Arguello, dropping Alexis along the way .. I just don't see how he becomes a deer in headlights w Ray ..

 

This is a distinct possibility imo.

 

SO he was too fast ( never a claim heard before about Mancini ) for the world class Ramirez but not too fast for Kim, Romano or Bramble ? Where did all that speed go ?

 

Evening he grant.

He just couldn't hit those heights again. It happens. Buster Douglas, Goyo Vargas. Lloyd Honeyghan had a good career post Curry but never again recreated that frightening level of intensity; he could only do it once.

Ramirez was a good fighter but speed may have been his kryptonite whereas Kim, Romano or Bramble may have had a problem with other attributes that Ramirez would not have struggled with. As JohnThomas and Saad 54 say, styles make fights.

I can't believe there was more money to be made in losing to Mancini than winning the title, either. In fact, to summarise; I don't mean to be rude (which always prefaces something rude, I know) as I think you make some really good posts with great observations. But, for me, this isn't one of them.

All the best. Sincerely, no offence intended.

 

Excellent take

 

Even if they did, it wouldn't be the worst thing in the world. Pryor has been exposed to a lot of revisionism as of late. People talk like he's some unstoppable force that couldn't be beat at 140 because he beat a blown up ATG featherweight. At the time he wasn't viewed as unstoppable, and a fight with Mancini would've been a war for him. Sure, I'd make Pryor the favorite, but he's not blowing away a motivated Mancini, it's a competitive fight imo

 

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