What top p4p fighters look average or mediocre on film?

yeah the old fighters often look bad. jerky, slow, no grace whatsoever.
But if you filmed a mayweather or a moseley with the same equipment I think they'd look pretty poor too.
The frame rate was just so poor.
were lucky to have these films, but they completely leave out the fine subtle athletic movements of these past great fighters, leaving them looking clunky.

 

once saw a video of jack Dempsey which had been filmed on good equipment and then been remastered.
It looked like a different fighter, his movemets were different, more powerful, graceful, balanced, pouncy like a cat, had a neat litte roll from one movement to the next.
Nothing like the clunky awkward bomber id been watching.
The film wasnt perfect, far from it but I got a sense of why people who saw dempsy live speak of him so highly.
im sure technique has been refined since the early days, but remember, so has the recording equipment.

 

I think sometimes with the old fights you're watching fighters against other top fighters and they sometimes neutralize each other. Against lesser fighters they could look a lot different. Imagine if no Mike Tyson film existed in 100 years and then the Bonecrusher Smith fight turned up. What would people think?

 

I know what youre saying, and they weren't that similar technically compared to todays fighters, but their styles evolved to beat the other styles of their day.
put a young Dempsey in a gym in modern times and hed develop a completely different style to compete in the modern era but hed still be fast and graceful and balanced in a way that old film could never show

 

What is good is good and provable by record under fire. If you can't see this in certain fighters, it's your problem. Adjust your idea of what looks good.

 

You need to forget your opinions because they are pure fantasy.

I believe in accomplishment… in all its forms and aesthetics. Follow accomplishment to find what "looks good". Because only one thing truly looks good… and that is what IS good.

 

Jeffries always is the guy I think of on this topic, even for his time I have never been remotely impressed with his style or anything about him really, and as I mentioned on another thread I find that odd considering all of those who have sang his praises throughout the first quarter of the century. And not only to his skill but his amazing athleticism. But, none of this is apparent in the film we have of him.

 

this is exactly true, but your also forgetting that a lot of old film was filmed by people who were also incompetent with the equipment they were using, this too has to be factored in...

that is why when you find the odd old fights that are more accurately filmed the fighters look very normal, and thank God there is enough old footage about proving that.

I found some excellent footage last week showing very normal movement, punching, style and very good fighting ability, from the 1940s and about 18 different fighters, all looking very normal.

to the fellow that thinks we've evolved better your both Right & WRONG. Boxing did 'evolve better' but that was already taking place by the mid late 20s and was the norm a decade later in the 30s rising and peaking right through the 40s, 50s, 60s, 70s and with us today, but also declined by numbers of top fighters, fights and the proliferation of titles!

and what Al Francis stated about top fights can look very normal against each other, this happens all the time, so yes that too is a factor!

So NO not overall better today, overall better for about 40 years from the 30s to the 70s!

 

A modern camera?

 

Undoubtedly, last night I watched Carl Frampton against Jeremy Parodi he looked a million dollars, when I watched him afterwards against Kiko Martinez, his flaws ,[not too many ,] were exposed.

 

Monzon for me.
Based purely on what he looks like on film.

A sort of languid, uninspiring upright European style that does nothing for me aesthetically. Had I not known better, I would say he looks no better than a number of averagely-talented fighters I've watched over the years.

Discussion about effectiveness is a moot point because this thread is not about that.