What was Ali's worst beating?

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  1. KuRuPT

    KuRuPT Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    I swear, people act like Ali took no punches against Foreman and act like after the fight he felt like he had gone for a stroll in the park.... That simply isn't true.
     
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  2. Cecil

    Cecil Boxing Addict Full Member

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    He took some brutal shots against Foreman, particularly to the body.
     
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  3. DJN16

    DJN16 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Manilla

    Don't even think it's close.

    Also the Holmes 'fight' was really an exhibition of Larry taking it easy.
     
  4. langdell

    langdell New Member Full Member

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    Too right, it was a fair stoppage as well. Look how many punches went unanswered from Lyle. The ref would have to be a right ***** to let that continue.
     
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  5. Wvboxer

    Wvboxer Active Member Full Member

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    I'd have to go with Holmes. I've never watched the full fight but Holmes went at him pretty hard early on. He didn't take it "too" easy! I also think Ali took a lot of shots without having the reflexes to at least flinch a bit. He didn't react to punches at all. He just stood and got hit squarely in the head.

    For a guy whose career started being about how little he got hit, Ali took quite a few bearings. The 3rd Frazier fight. He got hammered in the 3rd Norton fight. Foreman pounded him. Shavers hit him with bombs. Spinks hit him a ton in the first fight. Ali just quit trying to avoid punches at some point in his career. Berbick mailed him. Guy had way too many hard fights.
     
  6. DavidC77

    DavidC77 Well-Known Member Full Member

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    You'd go with the Holmes fight even though you've never seen the whole thing?
     
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  7. DavidC77

    DavidC77 Well-Known Member Full Member

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    I don't think anyone is saying Ali took no punches against Foreman because he lay on the ropes and let Foreman hit him to the body. But Ali used his reflexes to dodge nearly all the head punches.

    I remember the first time I saw the Ali Foreman fight and was surprised at how Ali seemed in control against an opponent who was expected to knock him out.

    Ali was never in trouble in that fight, it always seemed as though the fight was going the way he wanted it to go.
     
  8. Wvboxer

    Wvboxer Active Member Full Member

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    Too much of a beating for me to watch. Watching any boxer just take punishment is not entertaining for me. I've seen enough I think.
     
  9. DavidC77

    DavidC77 Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Pacheco was no longer in Ali's corner at this stage so he wouldn't have been able to assess Ali's condition after the first Spinks fight.

    After Zaire, Frazier and especially Spinks were the only fighters who saw the rope-a-dope as an opportunity to land punches and accumulate points. Other fighters, particularly Lyle who was a big hitter, viewed it with caution.

    That surprises me. Ali wasn't a hard puncher so there wasn't the danger of really getting hurt lurking round every corner.

    Ali wasn't that kind of fighter.
     
  10. DavidC77

    DavidC77 Well-Known Member Full Member

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    I find it painful to watch not because of the beating (which I don't think was that severe) but because it was so obvious that Ali should never have been in the ring that night.

    It was totally one-sided but I don't feel Ali was ever in desperate trouble as a result of Holmes' punches.

    He was in desperate trouble before the fight even started and it shouldn't have been allowed to happen.
     
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  11. destruction

    destruction Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Leon Spinks 1 was his worst beating

    Larry Holmes was holding back on him and taking pop off his punches. Leon Spinks in the first fight caught him with some hellacious shots.

    He obviously took a lot of punishment earlier on his career, winning questionable decisions that he clearly didnt deserve. But a chin is like a car engine, it only has so many miles before its gone.
     
  12. Nighttrain

    Nighttrain 'BOUT IT 'BOUT IT Full Member

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    Holmes. The medication Ali took in train caused to be dehydrated. Dehydration plus blows to the head equals brain trauma and is often a factor leading to permanent injury or death in the ring.

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/arch...ve-died/b67ab02d-8e88-4f3c-87ca-08c594e082e1/

    The story about Ali, tough as nails, screaming from a body shot in the 9th round nauseates me. Holmes holding back is a myth.

    https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2007/jan/07/boxing.features

    Someone should have gone to jail for this one!
     
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  13. Loudon

    Loudon Loyal Member Full Member

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    It's got to either be the 'Thrilla' or the 'Rumble'
     
  14. steve21

    steve21 Well-Known Member

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    He didn't hold back; when Holmes went back to his corner after the sixth round or so, he didn't know what to do - he knew Ali had nothing left. Giachetti told him the best thing he could do would be to finish Ali. If Holmes held back, it only would have encouraged the ref to let it continue even longer than it did.

    And you'd need several cells for the jail sentences - I'd put the Nevada State Athletic Commission in one or two, for starters. Ali's physical at the Mayo Clinic prior to the bout wasn't very inspiring and gave signs that he was in no shape to fight, but was ignored ...
     
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  15. jowcol

    jowcol Boxing Addict Full Member

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    I agree; Lyle didn't any lasting damage on him.