What was in Pryors water bottle?

It's evaluated on a fight by fight basis.

Had mosley or vargas beaten oscar they'd receive no credit.

Had tony beaten mosley he'd have received no credit.

Vitali wasn't on a ped but either way he was banned.

The holyfield situation has enough reasonable doubt but even still, he lost to moorer and lost the rubber to bowe.

Toney and tyson failed drug tests but they weren't peds so it doesn't change the victory for me.

There's no proof pryor had a ped so he still gets credit but there's certainly a question mark.

 

Vitali tested positive for steroids in the amateurs, he hasn't tested positive in the pros, but neither did Pryor. Now let me ask you why would he take steroids in the amateurs and not in the pros? How did he gain around 50lbs of muscle in 10years, after taking steroids? Toney failed a test for Nandrolone, yes that's a PED and a stupid 1 to take as it stays in your system for upto 18months, take the right steroids and they'll be out your system is a few days

The testing procedures in boxing are a joke, just look at all the obvious roiders at HW for evidence - Shannon Briggs - never caught. Mosley never caught, Holyfield never caught, Morrison admitted to steroid use. Tyson used a steroid guru in Chad Nichols as a 'nutritionist'

Most boxers will use PEDs given the opportunity and its fair to assume a large percentage of them are and if it gives them success or even levels the playing field they'd be fools not too. The testing procedures in boxing are ridiculously easy to beat

 

Vitali and toney used steroids as a treatment. Neither had a performance boost and both got unjustly punished imo.

Pryor we know had a bottle containing something other than water. Unless it can be proved to be a ped then the victory stands but like the other cases it would have a question mark.

You think it's fair to assume they cheat, I think it's far to assume innocence until proven otherwise.

 

Looking at how their physiques developed, they were probably using for more than just treatment.

Toney was 40 pounds bigger here than just 4 years ago:

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And Pryor used the asthma medicine for his asthma Come on LUFC you can't be that gullible

Innocence until proven guilty is all well and good, but with the testing as it stands boxers aren't being proven innocent because the tests are so easy to beat. And many fighters have steroid like side effects

ANyway if Pryor was using Ephidrine it won't have given him as much of as boost as steroids give those fighters. I use that and a cocktail of other supplements daily and it doesn't turn you into superman, it helps but it doesn't help you smash your personal records in road work, a good hangover cure mind you

Toney was probably 210 in the ring there, so less weight but he all kinds of tell tale signs

 

Gullible, optimistic, faith in justice maybe all are true.

I can't condemn a man for something i'm not convinced he did.

In this situation (barring my flame filled comment which I first left on the thread) i'm just convinced it wasn't water.

I'm not asking for empirical proof, there's just not enough for me to reach a conclusion of foul play (unlike the mosley, vargas and margo cases I mentioned earlier)

I don't think weight gain is proof of anything: today pac is a welterweight and he started his career as a flyweight; weight gain can happen naturally.

 

Pacquiao has fought at 126+ lbs ever since he was in his mid 20s and usually came to his fights at 140+ pounds. All he does now is to not cut weight. Even then he has his critics.

Toney gained a lot of muscle mass at near 30 years of age, which is not impossible to do naturally but it's far easier to do unnaturally which is hardly illegal since the testing is what it is. I have to admit that I care very little for the use of PEDs at this point since I believe most athletes are on them to some extent.

 

Guess we'll have settle on polar opposite viewpoints that reach the same conclusion.

Me: not enough proof to conclude pryor had a ped so the victory stands.

You: pryor cheated but so does everyone else so the victory stands.

Funny how the world works eh?

 

I didn't necessarily say that. I was commenting on the steroid issues, not Pryor. To say that Toney and Vitali were using only to treat injuries and thus did not deserve punishment might be an overly optimistic view. I believe you have to inform the commissions about the use of performance enhancers for treatment anyway.

As for Pryor, there were unfortunately no tests taken for the fight so nothing got proven either way. Technically, anything but water in a bottle is illegal but my personal opinion is that there's not enough justification to overturn a match result on that basis.

Knowing Panama Lewis's reputation and Pryor's admission to Manny Stewart, it's fair to speculate that Pryor may have been using other (unproven) illegal methods to gain an advantage over Arguello.

 

:rofl

 

So we do still reach the same conclusion about the victory standing :good

 

Personally I think several low blows, headbutts or a punches to the hips are every much as an unfair advantage as getting a 2-5% increase in performance that a PED may give

 

Perhaps so, that's something for the ref to deal with and there isn't really much consistency over fouls imo.

 

Spinach???

 

Belief juice. You gotta believe!