What was J. Chavez Jr. amateur career record?

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he had a exibition fight with paez jr a long ass time ago...but that's it

 

Oh yeah, no amateur background at all. I see this as a MAJOR disadvantage. Celaya, who was smaller, who wasn't in a good shape, who hasn't turned out to the prospect everyone saw in him years back was able to easily outbox and outsmart JCCJR. even after a hard knockdown, just imagine if he's a little more solid, with enough stamina and here we have an upset.

Celaya was a good amateur and even if he wasn't a legitimate threat to Jr.'s record on Saturday, he made the big prospect look like an average fighter with no defense.

Just imagine: some European guys start their pro career with over 200 amateur fights and 10+ years of experience. Even a guy like Abner Mares, who was just 19 when he turned pro, had a lot of amateur fights and years in him. He made it to the Olimpics, could't win a medal but still had a hell of a lot experience when he started his pro career and at the same age as Jr. he's almost ready for a world title. Based upon Saturday's fight, Jr. needs at least 3 more years. The power and talent is there, but the basic things are missing. A LOT of mistakes. Alfonso Gomez? Easily outboxes him. That fight would've been in this month guys!

 

With his style, honestly, I don't. The amateur background is just so important, especially in today's age of guys being done after losing 2 or 3 fights. In the old days you could learn on the job and lose a few times; but that's what the amateurs is for today.

 

You have to be aware that he did had (many) sparring sessions. And as we all know sparring sessions can be tough as well.
So he definately had ring-experience.

 

And as all of us who compete also know, sparring and a match are completely different.

 

honestly...
the last two rounds were good for chavez..he had to dig really deep to come out with that win...now, atleast we know he has it in him to stay calm, and finish opponents with patience....i mean, just cause he loses some rounds dont make him a bad prospect already....i've seen abner mares struggle alot, i mean alot with guys that (on paper) he should take out....look at vicente escobedo, he has it all there but he doesn't have the mentality....

my thing is this...if chavez at such a young age shows the strong mentality of a fighter, then just imagine when he gets his basic skills going....he's gonna be a definate threat....i'm glad he had a tough night, now he better stay in the gym and make the 147 limit...

what makes me laugh is the people that call him a bum and then get surprised when he struggles.....it's like,if the kid is a bum in your eyes, why even get surprised to begin with....

 

I'd say that if he's gonna be something special... he's very far away from that right now. His offensive arsenal is pretty solid, as well as his power but one wrong choice of opponent, one guy who's actually a legitimate LMW with a 6 weeks of training camp behind his back and a few years of amateur background and Julio will have his first loss in his record...

That's not necessarily a bad thing as amateur fighters usually lose most of their first fights every time they step up in age category or competetion...

But you see, it's really hard to build up somebody's pro career keeping him undefeated AND making him get the good experience at the same time. Amateur fighters fighting, losing and the special ones are winning against the national/world elite for years but these guys with no amateur background always stepping in against hand picked, limited opposition. Almost every amateur gets knock down, kayoed, stunned, cut, but in the pros you can't let your fighter lose 5-10 fights.

The better ones in the amateurs are getting used to that, as well as feeling the fans, feeling the opponent, thinking while fighting so basicly they have very little left to learn as a pro. It's like be economic with energy, cuz it's more rounds, use the ropes, some half-legal tactics etc. etc. - the main thing: they only have to polish their boxing skills to make less mistakes and be even more effective. That's what Amir Khan was able to manage and he was almost flawless in his last fight. That's the amateur background working combined with some hard earned pro experience (Limond). You know I doubt that Jr. could've get up from a knockdown like that. Even the no-amateur Hatton couldn't do ANYTHING after the big KD in the Floyd fight as he didn't have the experience - as Manny said - to survive. I'm sure that Khan was on the canvas several times as an amateur so he was able to jump up in the Limond fight. He barely made it, but that was the amateur background working. And he was just 20. Now at the age of 21, he looks like the truth. Little bit of experience still needed though...

 

What are you talking about?

JCCjR has no amateur background reason why he is being matched against beginners for so long as to make up for the lack of experience.

 

After this last fight, they will definitly slow down on his pace.

 

Great point Koyla. I think he could still be a pretty good fighter though. The guy is very very young and like we have stated did not have an amateur career. I have seen some improvement and there will me more to come...but i have one problem with the way he is being brought up. Yes he is being brought up slowly thus far, but he is getting to much publicity and attention too soon...he might be pushed into a fight he is not ready for. I dont think he should be headlining a pay-per-view at this stage of his career. Other fighters with extensive amateur careers have had the oppurtunity to fight many different styles and fight often. Chavez needs to be fighting mediocre opponents and fighting at least once a month for at least 2 more years...facing different styles with every fight. Not to say he is facing great opposition right now...but the fighters are gradually getting better to quick. If he gets a fight with a good fightr that has a style he is unfamilar with too quickly he might not be able to adapt.
They have already started talking to fighters like Gomez who I think he shouldnt be fighting yet. If he had great amateur experience I wouldnt think so...but he is still relatively inexperienced.
He is young and he has a ton of time to improve. Needs to stay very busy and fight every style imaginable. I say fight once amonth for the next 2 years, get a little over 20 fights, and then start fighting top contenders. He has done well to get a lot of fights and some experience thus far...but he isnt ready for the top opposition yet. I just think his team might put him in over his head sometime within the next year and half.

 

:roll: So you didn't ever compete. Or you have no brains whatsoever:rofl
A sparring session and a match in the amateurs comes damn close you dumbass Unless you spar with your sister.

He also went to other clubs were he sparred. And if you go to spar at another club things can heat up a lot. A boxing match stays a boxing match. But a sparring session with 2 guys both wanting to ''win'' comes damn close. Fool. Sparring prepares you for the real thing: the actual (amateur) bout.

So he definately had ring-experience. Even though no official amateur bouts.

 

I agree with you on this one though.