What was or is Mayweather jr best fighting weight?

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  1. Williams27

    Williams27 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Was 135 lbs, is 140 lbs.
     
  2. levluger

    levluger Active Member Full Member

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    super feather easy, he dominated
     
  3. Symphenyceo

    Symphenyceo Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    I'm actually hoping floyd drops back down to 40 after he beats shane/cotto-pac winner



     
  4. smitty_son408

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    130 as far as skill and performance. Though I honestly believe his best class could have been 140. He was in his physical and mental prime at this weight class. Had he stayed there I believe he would have entered the group of great fighters who were special in more than one weight class. He could've dominated the weight class till this day quite easily in my opinion.
     
  5. ripcity

    ripcity Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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  6. AussieMauler

    AussieMauler Relative Unknown Full Member

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    Someone tell me what would have happened if he stayed

    3 years 135

    3 years 140

    3 years at 147 to finish his career.

    I understand that weight hopping is the new black when it comes to building a portfolio and that to be ATG nowadays you have to have 52 weight classes and wins against a strap holder in each.

    Does anyone honestly believe that in a 10 year period he doesnt establish himself as a true special in those three classes. I am basing this on his alread established career and staying at 135 from Castillo 1.

    Obviously starting around 130 builds something of a legacy :lol:


    to re state something i always state.

    I HATE MAYWEATHER - i think he is a grub.

    YES he is just that good
     
  7. smitty_son408

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    Had he stayed between 130-140 and dominated 140 for the remainder of his career he is a Top 25 fighter at least IMV. Moving up to Welter for a title and few defenses would of solidified his greatness.
     
  8. eliqueiros

    eliqueiros Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Hilarious that in order to continue to be fans you all have to remember him at lightweight and hope he goes down to 140. :rofl:rofl

    Suckers....:hi:
     
  9. PH|LLA

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  10. AussieMauler

    AussieMauler Relative Unknown Full Member

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    I agree smitty.

    He hangs around at 135 - 140 and he is just a freak.

    Even now at 140 - Pacquiao, Marquez, Hatton (previous fight i know) 3 big ones to make a claim of being the best of a tough bunch. Cotto only just past through a while back. There were names to create that legacy.

    Seems like the money got in the way
     
  11. Brit Sillynanny

    Brit Sillynanny Cold Hard Truth Full Member

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    While 5'8 - 5'8 1/2" is not an optimal or best height for welter today or really for at least a couple generations his natural walking around weight in his early 30s makes 147 pounds optimal for sustaining strength/power (since you can't cut to 135 or even 140 without sacrificing this as you age).

    He would be fine at 147 in an era of same day weigh-ins.

    While most would pick his performances in the lower weight classes (130 & 135 & 140), it can be argued that his best fighting weight (best fighting capability) is the one that matches up most closely with his physical prime years. And, that has been the last few years (late 20s to early 30s).


    For example, many (on ESB) wrongly believe that the near 37-year old version of BHOP that fought Trinidad was a prime fighter (and are even more certainly convinced of that because he has continued to fight competitively up to the present). BHOPs physical apex was at least a couple years earlier and his physical prime had passed before Trinidad. There is also a misconception regarding BHOP's boxing IQ as many (on ESB) wrongly believe that the post Trinidad version is some boxing genius while before that he was a comparative infant. Nothing could be further from the truth. This is likely a common ESB opinion due to the age of its posting population (too young to remember that Hopkins was already considered a tough boxing master/technician in the late 90s) or their geographic centrality (lot of Europeans). [Few Americans with any (age or) time following boxing and Hopkins' career specifically thought (weight climbing) Trinidad had ANY realistic chance as that tournament came to be.]

    Any "increase" in boxing IQ attributable to Hopkins' post Trinidad years (is arguably negligible) has been more than offset by a definite decline in his aggregate physical capabilities compared to his physical prime (it would have been even more apparent if the mid-90s version had moved up to SMW or LHW and bulked up accordingly to allow for a better comparison with the version plying his craft currently or recently). To squeeze down to the middleweight limit BHOP became comparatively "weaker" as he moved through his 30s as the natural inclination is to put on weight as one matures [the trade-off was he was fighting smaller opponents at MW rather than a stronger version of BHOP fighting larger opponents at LHW/SMW]. It was OBVIOUS that the 37-year old version was not as physically strong at the middleweight limit as the younger version of the mid and late 90s.

    Similarly, Floyd at 32 has been in his physical and boxing prime these past few years and can only lose ground physically on a comparative basis going forward and no amount of (imagined - as is imagined for BHOP for instance) improvement in ring IQ can offset that decline over these years.

    Since Floyd is walking around between 155-160 when not fighting, 147 is the natural division that allows him to combine the greatest level of boxing knowledge/experience with his strongest physical resources (his physical prime).

    Unfortunately (for him), he is actually an "in-between-er" in that he doesn't optimally fit a division in this era so that he maximizes the largest athletic build possible for a particular weight class.

    With that said, it is understandable that most would feel compelled to choose 130, 135, or project 140 out (if he hadn't moved up) as his best fighting weight. In Floyd's case, I merely suggest that it can be argued that he should be as close to that perfect combination that comes from ring experience and physical maturity (excluding any possibility of unusual ring wear or injuries) in these years at welterweight. Unfortunately (for Floyd), today's division is often full of much larger welterweights than in the past.
     
  12. Darni187

    Darni187 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Great Post :good


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  13. Ripple633

    Ripple633 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    You need to watch his fights at 130, he was an absolute monster, it was like watching Ali and Roy in their primes. In terms of performance, his matches don't even come close to what he showed as a SFW.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ASFWIJDc-Wk&feature=PlayList&p=82505AA9C45808BE&index=7

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mMHk3rJi6Go&feature=related

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G2tST6a2fpI

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t0FGNw4uW34&feature=PlayList&p=82505AA9C45808BE&index=12
     
  14. Ripple633

    Ripple633 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    You need to watch his fights at 130. At 135, 140, 147, and 154 he slowed down some, wasn't as sharp as he used to be, and he was also less offensive minded. When Floyd was at his prime he was faster than Pacquiao, that's how fast he was. I mean if Floyd was in his prime right now (which was around 130-135) he would absolutley annihilate Pacquiao, that's how good he was at 130 and 135.
     
  15. DRmullen2

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    130s puts mays with anyone.