What was Ruby goldstein thinking of in Patterson v ingo 1??

The referee in the first fight between Floyd and ingo Ruby goldstein allowed a totally scrambled Floyd to be knocked down 7 times!. After the first kd, Floyd rose and been so dazed, grabbed the refs hands and walked to a neutral corner, believing it was he who had knocked down ingo. Then Johansson crashed a left to the back of Floyd s head sending him back down. The ref could and should have stopped it there but let it continue. He would go down another 5 times, 7 in total!. I believe Ruby had been a top light weight and should have known better than most when a guys out of it. To Floyd s credit he kept jumping up but should have been saved from himself imo. Not sure if the 3 kd rule was in effect but should have been used in this.
Luckily Floyd was to suffer no lasting damage and came back to regain the title, but definitely not the best case of being a good ref.

 

Goldstein was old school. The fight was for the hwt championship of the world. Old school thought the prize was the greatest in all of sport and not given up unless the champion or his corner would give up. The true question was why did Patterson corner not stop the fight. Probably for the very same reasoning.

 

Good reasoning there but at what point does even a old school ref say 'enough ", before some serious damage is done.? Patterson showed tremendous bravery but could have done with ruby's help in there. And same for Patterson s corner. Ingo would have been belting away until the end of the round. Crazy ref.

 

No not a crazy ref at all. Crazy corner maybe.

 

Not exactly the type of ref I'd want my fighter to have. Yes, you don't want one jumping in at the first wobble but Patterson had nothing. Yet he would have kept on jumping up to walk in to another crack. Should have been stopped third kd.

 

Goldstein's low point was the Griffith-Paret fight in March 1962 on national TV...

 

Again Goldstein was old school. If the corner was not stopping the fight he was not going to do so. Mantra for most refs coming out of the early 20th century.

 

Didn't realise that was goldy to. Kind of a pattern there.

 

I get what your saying Perry. Different times entirely. You went in to a fight and if you went down and got back up, you was good to go. But I think that was one of the worst of post war heavy weight title instances, where a guy was down that number of times, and with no real chance of coming back. But like you said, he was from ancient times.

 

HE may well have suffered lasting damage that took years to manifest itself.

 

I've not been impressed with what I've seen of Goldstein.

 

Sad to say but your probably right. He developed dementia? I believe. Remember a interview with him many years ago, would have been early 2000 s, and he actually said Aids was a new disease and he'd never heard of it. That was just part of the disease /deterioration in his brain. How much of that fight alone could have helped it along?

 

I'm with you on that score mcvey. These guys have a lot of responsibility in there. When to actually say enough s enough. Men like Patterson and frazier would bounce back up for ever more if they could and a good ref says "no more son '

 

I've read that Ruby was often criticized for stopping bouts too SOON. Perhaps he was overcompensating during Patterson Johansson 1 and Griffith Paret.

 

I think he could have let the SRR vTurpin fight go, Turpin wasn't taking much on the ropes.Ray was missing with lot of those shots. Goldstein was slow in the Floyd v Ingo fight and criminally so in the Griffith v Paret one.