What was the hardest punch Ali ever took?

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  1. Cecil

    Cecil Boxing Addict Full Member

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    You might argue that it wasn’t the hardest, but to say it’s nonsense is quite frankly well..nonsense.
     
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    I could take George Foremans body shots. Just mind over matter, that's all.
     
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  3. Boxing2019

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    (Maybe) Two punches: the left hook of Frazier who knocked him down in fight 1 (very accurate and powerful) and the punch of Norton who broke his jaw.
    Concerning with "dangerous set of punches" I think he took from Foreman, Frazier and Lyle but above all from Shavers and Holmes.
     
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  4. DavidC77

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    Not when Ali said the hardest punches he ever took were from Shavers and Frazier, rather than from an extremely popular boxer who, through affection and sentimentality, is highly over-rated and would be competing nowadays in the cruiserweight division.
     
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  6. RulesMakeItInteresting

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    Ali said unequivocally, when asked by a studio audience, that Shavers hit him the hardest.

    But this was before Holmes. I'm certainly not even entertaining the thought Larry hit him the hardest (he didn't) but LH arguably gave him the most punishment.
     
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    I used to own a canard, it had the most beautiful voice...
     
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  8. Fergy

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    It's close for me, between Cooper and Frazier. I think if Frazier had dropped him like that, say mid fight, there's a good chance Ali wouldn't make it through the fight. It probably took more out of him than he realized, another few rounds and he make have found himself getting dropped again.. And Frazier would have been getting really into the killing mode by then.
     
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  9. Somali Sanil

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    Another 20-30 seconds Ali would've stopped Shavers imo
     
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  10. RulesMakeItInteresting

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    That 15th round might have been the last flashes of greatness from the Greatest.
     
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  11. Cecil

    Cecil Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Sentiment doesn’t come into it.
    Cooper hit Ali with a very hard punch, that is patently obvious.
    One of the hardest punches Ali ever took, whether you think Cooper was a bum, decent or good, he was a good left hooker.
     
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  12. RulesMakeItInteresting

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    It was in some ways even more perfect than the one Joe landed 15th round FOTC.

    I think the earlier hooks Joe got in on Ali (the two in quick succession that had Ali out on his feet) might have actually been harder. I feel pretty dumb not remembering the round, sorry folks.
     
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  13. Somali Sanil

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    Looking at it Cooper's punch did the most visible damage to Ali throughout his career from start to finish, he was more damaged than against Frazier in FOTC AND fresher in the fight against Cooper
     
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  14. RulesMakeItInteresting

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    Wasn't the Coop fight the one where Ali came closest to being knocked out in the 60s?

    It was such a great hook.
     
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  15. DavidC77

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    'One of the hardest'? So you don't think it was the hardest, either?

    I agree that Cooper had a great left hook but sentiment does come into it when people look back at that night - the talk about if the bell hadn't rang then the next 15 years in the heavyweight division would have been totally different (as if Ali would never have come back from defeat - I still think he would have beaten Cooper if the bell hadn't sounded - to get a title shot anyway); ignoring or forgetting the fact that Copper lost in the next round; the myth about the split glove extending the break between rounds by minutes was what saved Ali when actually it was only a few seconds...

    Cooper was a genuinely lovely guy but people do get too carried away with him as a fighter.
     
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