What was toney and Moorers real natural fighting weight?

Toney was skin and bone at 160 he had big frame. Toney was a natural 175-180 pounder. Moorer was a natural cruiser he had the head of a hw.

 

Simple if it`s flab it isn`t natural, if they ate well and trained well then checked the scales that would be their natural weight, there`s also a healthy minimum and maximum weight for your height which can factor like I`m 6ft and the maximum you should be is 168lbs and the minimum 147lbs, but of coarse bone structure comes into it, Moorer was more big boned than Toney.

 

Toney moved faster at middle so he could slip more punches and his body looked fine there.

 

No such thing.

 

Agreed 100%.

 

Their natural fighting weight was middleweight and lightheavyweight.

In earlier eras they would have languished at those weight classes until they grew too old to be much use.

The fact they were capable in higher weight classes owes entirely to being a product of their environment. Vitamins. And all the code words that explains it.

 

Didn't Moorer have to abide to a crazy diet of next to nothing whilst fight at light heavy, think he was a natural Crusierweight but he skipped that weight class.

 

I disagree with a fair amount of this. Steward stated from a very early time that Moorer was still growing and his stay at 175 would not be a long one. Toney was always going to grow out of middleweight i think. It might be fair to say 168 or 175 would have been friendly to him.

There's zero evidence Moorer had anything to do with steroids and the like nor Toney up until way later when he bloated right out to immense proportions.

Guys like Ezzard Charles, Armstrong, SRR and a thousand others all made great rises in weight. I find your last highlighted statement absurd tbh. Throwing out modern successful forays thru the divisions "entirely" to this is ridiculous.

 

Work rate has little to do with natural weight... fighting for 12 rds has more to do with fighting relaxed, skill and experience than trimming down fitness.....look at all the fat 178lb amateurs who became heavyweights with decent work rates.... Toney was a natural middleweight he was fast and powerful he moved up and was able to keep the same rate because he was in shape to fight.....he gave up speed, mobility, power to do it. He changed diet to move up eventually he ate what he wanted and moved up more because he had that good of a defense the slower the fighter the better his stationary defensive style worked.....being in shape to fight has little to do with how you look unless you incude proper diet.....IMO Toney was lethal at 160 and 168 and maybe 175 but beyond that he was a very good defensive fighter against limited experienced and skilled fighters.....Moorer was at his most lethal at 175 and had he gone up to Cruiser he may have been better but moving to heavyweight he carried the power, lost some speed and his chin couldn't take the naturally bigger mans punches as well.

Fighters trim down and get in good physical shape so they can be at their most dominant weight where they have the power, speed and chin to do well.....also part of getting in condition for a fight is the weight class they are competing in and the money...most fighters can fight at higher weights than they trim to but lack some ability to succeed....I know alot of guys who fought in my day who could fight all night long while fat and out of shape in a traditionally fit way because they loved fighting but to win fights without the talent they had to choose a weight to compete in where they could do well.

To me having been around the game for awhile knows the difference between work rate and a fighters fitness is not always related......fighting all night is a matter of enjoying the fighting and being able to relax....dealing with nerves and making the contracted weight is the 95% purpose of exercise for most fighters....if their were no weight classes a fighter could just train to fight and not worry about weight or appearance and the fights would be nearly as good.

A fighters natural weight has alot to do with their most effective weight not just appearance.

 

Seems far more likely that in earlier eras, Toney and Moorer both start their careers at 175 with Moorer moving up to heavyweight within a couple years.

 

I'll still go out of my way to argue that Moorer's late career win over Jirov is a very underrated one that you never see anyone mention, especially highlighting his deadly serious power. He was a puncher for sure.

 

They were both 300 plus pounds who got together with a master plan during a bloc party to cut as much weight as possible to get as much advantage as they can until age caught up with them and they ballooned up the conspiracy didn't last long.