What was Wlad offering Haye if Chisora beat him?

You know what.... **** you man.

 

:rofl

 

too many people hang up on "what are the odds wlad gets injured, haye is a *****"

wlad cannot possibly guarantee he comes out the chisora fight as a champion. therefore the WBA rules regarding unification no longer applies, meaning haye gets stripped, so essentially we have haye fighting a non title fight vs a man who got knocked out just 9 weeks ago.

call the chances slim all you want, but they prevent anything being legally binding and therefor prevent an official contract being signed.

 

Wlad and Haye CAN still sign a contract even though Wlad is fighting Chisora first. Just as Oscar De La Hoya and Bernard Hopkins had their contracts signed and sealed before they each fought tune-up/build-up fights 3 months before their scheduled fight. Just as Adamek is already willing to do with Wlad now. With the stipulation being that if Wlad isn't available come September, Adamek gets to fight Vitali.

Second... I never heard anything like this from the WBA.

Third... IF the WBA were to force Haye to fight Chagaev before June... Haye could simply fight Chagaev in March, and still fight Wlad in July. Problem solved.

Wow, that was tough.

 

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Wow, you actually managed to make one valid point in your whole post - well done. Your right, Haye could probably fight Chagaev in March as long as there is a TV date available. That we agree on. Also, Haye could have not fought the disgrace of a fight against Harrison and fought his mandatory last year. But, at the same time Wlad could just not fight a 14 fight, out of his depth novice and we'd have a fight on June 2nd. There's no excuse from either party for this fight not to happen. Blaming one person is ******ed.

Regarding signing the contract, the point is that Haye and Wlad could very well sign a contract for a fight on June 2 (like Hopkins - De La Hoya) but it won't be a guaranteed contract for a unification fight as the belts could change hands. Therefore the mandatory must still be fought.

 

Look, I don't want to be a dick, but you are one of the worst posters on this site. You only get involved in things that involve a Klitschko, you never have any insight or rational input to add to anyting. All you offer is blind admiration for the klitschkos and backslapping of his other fans (just like the post I've quoted)

Why don't you try engaging in an actual discussions?

How old are you?

Do you follow boxing outside of the K-bros?

 

OMFG... what you don't understand is that IT DOESN'T MATTER IF WLAD FIGHTS CHISORA! Wlad and Haye can STILL sign a contract (another valid point that you decided to ignore), Haye still wouldn't have even have to fight his mandatory if he didn't want... even if he did he could do it in March. Especially since he is willing to call off the Wlad fight and fight his mandatory anyways.

There is NO REASON for Haye to call off the Klitschko fight on July 2nd. There is also NO REASON why Wlad should have be inactive for a full 10 months before this fight.... when July is still 6 months away.

They are NOT both to blame. Haye is to blame.

 

Are you blind? Can you read? I wrote this in response to your last post, yet you choose to ignore it and go off on one. Pretty embarrassing.

So yes, they can sign a contract. Wow. It doesn't mean **** all if Wlad is fighting Chisora so there cannot guarantee that the fight with Haye will be for all the belts as he may get ktfo. If he can't guarantee it's for all the belts, then it's not a unfication fight and he must fight Chagaev.

I'll break it down:

If Haye and Wlad sign a contract for June 2, then that is a definite unification fight, as there is no way for either fighter to lose the belts between now and the fight. This will mean that the WBA will delay Haye's mandatory.

If Haye and Wlad sign a contract for June 2, but Wlad has to fight Chisora first then it cannot possibly be a guaranteed unification match as Wlad could lose his titles, meaning he would be coming to the fight empty handed.

I'll show you why this cannot go ahead.

Haye agrees with the WBA that he'll fight Chagaev after a unification fight.

Haye and Wlad sign a contract for June 2nd.

Chisora knocks Wlad out on April 30th.

Haye is still contractually obliged to fight Wlad. Except now it's not a unification fight.

Because he's not unifying, Haye has to fight his mandaroty Chagaev before June or he will be stripped of his title. So now it's May and Haye either has to somehow abandon training camp, set up a quick fight with Ruslan and then proceed to fulfil his contractual duties and fight Wlad on June 2nd, or give up his WBA belt.

 

You are just talking out of your ass. I can't force you to understand. You simply aren't willing to deal with reality.

Look genius, they put clauses in the contract for that sort of thing. Obviously, if Wlad lost to Chisora, Haye would have the option of NOT fighting Wlad. Haye could have worked it out to where he would then get to fight Chisora. Or he could do as Adamek is doing... if Wlad isn't available... Adamek gets to fight Vitali. So, there you have it... either way Haye would have a guaranteed unification fight.

It's funny how easily every other fighter in the world works these things out. For some reason David Haye's fans seem to believe that it is MUCH more impossible than it is. Do you know why? Because David Haye makes it seem that way. He does this because he doesn't want to fight the Klitschko brothers. Didn't seem too hard for Haye to strike up a deal fighting against Valuev. Hell... he was mid-complex negotiations with Vitali... after having faked the injury against Wlad... and BOOM out of nowhere Haye was signed to fight Valuev instead. TV networks, available dates, money be damned... Haye somehow was able to get that deal done quicker than ****. That's because he wanted to fight Valuev... not Klitschko.

 

"What was Wlad offering Haye if Chisora beat him?"

Try to get him on the phone.
Useless debate if you can't...

 

So, I already pointed out how Haye could work out the contrac to in fact.... have a guaranteed unification fight.

Even throwing that aside....

Haye wouldn't have to "abandon his training camp" in order to fight Ruslan in March. He could have scheduled the fight against Chagaev for the end of March... giving him more than enough time to go through a full training camp, fight Chagaev... and then still have until July 2nd to fight Wlad. Seems pretty simple to me. Then again... it would... because I am not trying to defend the unreasonable.

 

Yes. It is entirely Haye's fault. He is the devil. The Klitschkos are a pleasure to work with, they fight for the pride of their people and the prestige of the belts, nobody ever complained about being offered 'slave contracts' with them, Wlad absolutely HAD to fight Derek Chisora instead of waiting 8 weeks to fight Haye, Vitali HAS to fight Solis instead of Haye etc etc.

You say all these HAye could do this, Haye could do that - which I accept and acknowledge some are very valid. At the same time Wlad could not fight Chisora and we have a fight

You have your perspective, I have mine. I have laid the blame at the feet of both men for the reasons provided, you have solely blamed Haye because he is scared. We'll leave it there

 

The point of the first post is completely right. Everything Wlad and Haye ever negotiated on only works if Wlad wins. If he does, fine, the fight goes ahead as planned but if he doesn't, then everything is messed up. Sky and HBO lose millions spent on buying the rights to the fight and promoting it. Companies who spent lots on advertisement lose lots of money, Hayemaker Promotions loses a lot of money, Golden Boy promotions loses a lot of money.

If you can't see the valid reasons why Chisora/Wlad may have thrown a spanner in the works, you're deluded. All it would take is one punch. The fact is, companies like Sky and HBO aren't going to spend millions on this kind of risk.

 

No, we're idiots who don't want to 'get it'. Widdow_Makker said so.