What was worse? The headbutts or the cheap shot combo?

I didnt see the whole fight, from what I saw... the head butts were done on the fight, the cheap shots were done while the guy was saying sorry.

Ill say the cheap shots.

 

The other instances were not in the same league as that insane final attempt. The others were just standard butts on the inside that we see in many fights. Not that they're acceptable, they're not, they're still cheating, but let's not pretend that all of the headbutts were the same, they weren't. Before that final moment of madness, Ortiz's use of the head wasn't any worse than Floyd's use of the elbow/forearm in pretty much every fight he ever has. Standard rough-house tactics. The final headbutt attempt for Ortiz was just a pure moment of madness, the young man was desperate and stupid because the realization had set in that he was in the ring with a superior fighter who was going to punish him in the fight. That's my view on it anyway, not fussed if you agree or disagree man.

 

That's just bull**** and you know it. He tried the EXACT same thing. He was springing with his legs to hit Mayweather with his head. Same technique on FOUR SEPARATE OCCASIONS. The only difference on the last one was he was so desperate to hit him with the head again, he left his feet.

Blatant intentional headbutts are not any worse than Floyd's elbow/forearm that isn't even a ****ing foul? You're nuts.

I know you're one of the more "objective *******s" (if there is such a thing) but seriously brother, Ortiz was dirty as hell. One of the ugliest displays of dirty boxing I have seen in quite some time, and frankly, I never want to see him fight again.

And I can watch some cagey rough-house bouts as you said... but what Ortiz was doing is not that.

 

I disagree. You yourself concede the last one was different, and this is my p-o-v. Ortiz was not doing anything differently from guys like Bradley or B-Hop or Ward do, until he lost it and went for a full lunging headbutt to the face. For what it's worth, the way Floyd uses his elbow/forearm is ALWAYS a foul, it's just that for some bizarre reason refs don't call it very often. No way in hell are you permitted by the rules to plant your forearm on someone's neck and force his head back! It's the exact same scenario as Bradley getting away with constant headbutts.

But as I say, I doubt we are going to convince one another. I also think Ortiz's behaviour was disgraceful, but for me the final headbutt was a different animal entirely from his use of the head throughout. I think Cortez would agree with me, considering his reaction to the final butt as opposed to the earlier uses.

 

Which ever came first is worse of course. The one in retaliation can't possibly be as bad. Unless Floyd had hit him with a bat or something. Headbutts can be very dangerous. I think Floyd should have hit him with that first shot and that's it though. Why ruin the fight like? He doesn't give a **** about the fans, honestly.

 

Apologies if I was a little off there, just very tired of people hailing a suckerpunch KO as an act of virtue and heroism.

Going by video evidence, I still have no idea where you are coming from tbh. :nut

Mayweather walks over with his hands down as if to accept a reconciliation, allows Ortiz to gesture, and with Ortiz still in the moment and unprepared, he suckerpunches him.

Absolutely clear-cut, clear as crystal, and as I keep saying, I genuinely do not believe that Floyd himself would deny that he purposefully deceived Ortiz in order to maximise the shock value, punch impact, and viciousness of his retaliation.

I think you're a good poster, but I have absolutely no idea where you're coming from here. I cannot understand how you interpret the video evidence in this way. If Floyd had walked over with his hands up, or had the apology from Ortiz then moved back to affect a fighting stance, then I'd see your point. But there was clear deceit in the way he had his hands down allowing Ortiz to gesture, and then moved immediately into a strike.

I fear we are too far apart on this one to reach any common ground amigo. :-(

 

i wonder what everyone would be saying if Ortiz had been pulling his hands up as they backed away? The result could have been the exact same...Ortiz just would have looked like he was 'ready'...he mind effed himself...after the kiss, he was no longer viscous nor his mind in the fight

 

also, why is it that we can all see Floyd's intentions in his facial expressions and Ortiz could not? Its pretty obvious Ortiz didn't see them anyway....with that said, its just as possible that Floyd didn't see Ortiz wasn't ready..........so, as bad as the ko looked...there may be no moral blame at all.....

 

I'm glad you made the votes public.

 

One thing that these trolls fail to do is acknowledge the butt. Every last troll ignores this. All they talk about is what Floyd did. Trolls don't feel Floyds pain. They think they constantly **** Floyds fans off with their perversive opinions. They truly don't recognize how dangerous Ortiz's butt was. Had Floyd butted Ortiz, and got ko'd, we would be talking about the butt 24/7, and they'd be laughing their ass off and legitimizing Ortiz's ko win.