what was your reaction when froch destroyed bute?

Atta boy Froch!

 

I was laughing hysterically, to be honest.

 

I gave my reaction, and I didn't question you reaction at all. All I said was that you couldn't resist throwing in a shot at Calzaghe. I did not say I didn't believe you truely felt that way or that it wasn't your reaction at the time.

Though I felt it had to be remarked upon that when you take a shot at Calzaghe's decisions, conciously or otherwise, because of a fight that occured four or fives after he retired between one fighter who was just emerging on the world scene when he bowed out and another who only became recognized as one of the division's best after 2008 then you come across as a bit preoccupied with knocking Calzaghe and his legacy.

 

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This actually sums it all up.

 

Bute had always been buddy-buddy with his opponents and Froch was in a do or die fight.

In the days leading up to the fight, Bute spent more time trying to be Frochs buddy than he did preparing for the fight.

When Bute started to walk down to the ring, you could see in his eyes he wasnt prepared.

 

yeah no BS, mate.

Joe when Froch was a beatable green kid 'want a world title fight, mate?' *THINKS-'another pisseasy domestic for my world title yeehah'

Joe when Froch was winning bigger fights 'Froch? Ha! hasnt proved himself for a world title shot yet'
*THINKS- 'fcuk this **** sideways after ten years of taking it easy. Lets keep my zero losses and phone some grandads instead'

 

You weird imbecile ***** lips need fukin help with this ****.
I dont like Joe either but I dont need to spend my time writing hundred of posts about fighter I dont care about. Well this is typical behaviour among your culture so I guess we just have to tolarate it.

Anyway I was shocked to see Bute getting absolutely annihilated by that modern day CAVEMAN Carl Froch. Froch has never beaten or destroyed good opponent in such a fashion.
Bute wasnt that good to beging with or he simply got cold feet.

 

good that you respect the truth then.

 

Ok. Calzaghe may have offered Froch a fight prior to 2008 only for Froch to turn him down and claim he wasn't ready. Big deal. Calzaghe's far from the only champion in history to offer a far younger and unproven fighter a shot at his belt - Wlad/Wach or Wlad/Pianeta for instance - and Froch wisely chose to avoid it since he wouldn't be ready, there's no issue there except for Calzaghe's noted - and freely and openly recognized and accepted by me - tendency to take easy fights and not challenge himself, but when Froch said he was ready in 2008 Calzaghe had bigger things on his mind with super-fights against Hopkins and Jones, both of which were far bigger than any domestic bust-up between him and Froch would have been and far more financially rewarding.

And what were these "bigger fights" that Froch was winning coming into 2008 which could prove him such a dangerous opponent? There was only one against Pascal, who, just like Froch, was unproven at the world level at the time and had not fought a single world level fighter prior to his fight with Froch for the vacant WBC Title. Other than Pacal the only "big" name on Froch's resume prior to 2009 was the anceint Robin Reid.

Face it, even in 2008 Froch was a nobody and would not even have been first in line for a shot at Calzaghe if Calzaghe had chosen to stick around beyond that year, the only fight Froch had had which proved he might be above domestic level was a slugfest with Pascal, and the fact that Froch was being schooled by a shot Jermain Taylor in 2009 before he got lucky with a extremely late KO would suggest that even then he wasn't actually ready for Calzaghe and would have been badly embarrased by him.

So yeah, I think you're a bit preoccupied with hating on Calzaghe if your going to try to bring value to the idea that "Calzaghe ducked Froch" by using the fact of Froch refusing a fight earlier in his career before he thought himself ready and when he decided he was ready didn't get the fight because Calzaghe was after bigger paydays, and that Froch happened to destroy Bute years later.

 

that's the only bit that's needed, thanks, an admittance that Joe wanted froch for a world title fight when forch was nothing but didn't want him for a world title fight when he was a force in the world.

 

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It's not the only bit that's needed though is it? Becuase Froch hadn't proved himself in 2008 to be dangerous opponent on the world stage, and Hopkins and Jones were both bigger fights in every respect than Froch was.

Edit: also, I am waiting for this list of "bigger fights" Froch had won prior to Calzaghe's retirement that made him, apparently, the most dangerous potential opponent for Calzaghe in your opinion.

 

yeah its not enough for you that he wanted froch for a world title defence when froch was nothing near national level but ran from him when he was arriving on the world scene (ie qualified to defend against and a tough fight)

that's all that's needs saying, although you should never pretend that Froch was ducking top fighters like Taylor Pascal and Dirrell when he was beating their asses whilst Joe ran.

 

No, I have freely admitted many times in the past that Calzaghe took easy fights for most of his career and did not challenge himself. If he offered a young Froch a fight before Froch had done anything significant than then that's merely par for the course.

However, it was Froch who chose not take the fight then and wait until he felt himself ready - wisely - but when he felt himself ready Calzaghe had moved on. Calzaghe was going after Hopkins and Jones for super-fights and big paydays in what Calzaghe intended to be his last year as an active fighter.

Now, what's going to make more money and generate more fan interest? A domestic bust up against a nobody who had proven nothing on the world stage or two super-fights in the US against household names. Hmm...difficult one isn't it?

And what were these "bigger fights" Froch had won prior to Calzaghe's retirement that made him the most dangerous potential opponent?

 

are Jermaine taylor and pascal not big enough for you then. yeah too big for calzaghe though. typical double standard from a calzaghe nuthugger. joe ran for the welsh hills once froch had beat taylor pascal and was facing off with dirrell, but he was happy to beat up granddads and kid froch, that's all that's needs to be said.

I might have said that more than once now mind you.

 

Pascal was, equally, a nobody in 2008. He had fought nobody above domestic level prior to fighting Froch for the vacant WBC Title. That fight was between two men looking to step out onto the world stage. It proved little. Pascal became a somebody by moving up to Light Heavyweight and winning a world title there in 2009 then having his two fights with Hopkins but his pre-Froch resume is very weak. Neither were proven world level fighters when they met in 2008.

Calzaghe retired on the 5th of February 2009, Froch fought Taylor on the 25th of April 2009. Calzaghe had been retired over two months before Froch and Taylor stepped in the ring with each other. And even if we counted Froch/Taylor it would hardly be proof of Froch's ability considering he was losing the fight badly before Taylor gassed in the final round.

Froch fought Dirrell on the 17th October 2009, over either months after Calzaghe had retired. That fight has no baring whatsoever.

Get your timeline sorted before you make a bigger fool of yourself than you already have.