1. When Germany loves a certain fighter, they will do whatever it takes for their house guy to win. That CW Hernandez really is a discgrace and shouldn't be a champion. 2. Daniel Ponce De Leon is underrated. I picked him to win, but I am surprised at how many others didn't give him a chance. He actually executed a gameplan and was on his way to putting Jhonny Gonzeles to sleep before the fight was stopped. 3. Rigondeux can be shaken, but not stirred. He pretty much dominated the fight, despite getting wobbled a few times. 4. Leo Santa Cruz is the real deal. He did what Abner Mares couldn't do. Stop Eric Morel 5. Canelo's leaky defense is going to cost him when he faces a banger with a good chin. He is good, though. 6. Maidana has improved and has grown into a WW nicely now. He actually put his punches together well and through some straight punches. I look forwad to seeing him again soon. 7 Rocky Martinez he a Gatekeeper and not championship material. Exciting fighter, though. 8. Sergio Martinez looked great, until the knockdown. I don't know how to describe it. He's one of the best fighters on the planet, but that knockdown really took the air out of his balloon. He's up there in age, so who knows how long he can fight at this level. 9. Chavez would really benefit by moving up. His 0 in gone now, so he might as well do it. He was sluggish most of the fight, so a few extra pounds will help him stay strong.
9.atsch he can not move up he fights middleweights with cruiser weight once he moves up he will not be that much stronger and 168 is very good division there is at least 5 fighters that will beat him easy at 168!!!
Some good points. People might forget about the Hernandez fight with all the subsequent action but two of the judges cards there were a joke, and the ref not much better in the 5th round, gave him every chance. I had Ross winning but it shouldn't have gone to the scorecards in the first place Daniel Ponce de Leon is a good fighter and indirectly this win raises Broner's stock a little too. Didn't see the Rigo fight yet. He is a sublime boxer but against big hitters or elite opponents (e.g. Donaire), I will always be a little concerned about his chin which may be the one ***** in his armour, and is still relatively untested. Santa Cruz was the vcash bet of the night! Canelo is good but was a bit of a joke of a fight so hard to determine too much from it. Lopez looked very soft at the weigh-in as if his training had been to eat pies to build himself up. He is very game but doesn't belong in such a division, needs to go back down. Good opponent for Ricky Hatton in a fight or 2? Haven't seen the Maidana fight but wouldn't be sold on him as a WW just yet, previously against Alexander he looked poor and said he wouldn't fight at the weight again, so not sure if he will be able to beat the elite at WW. Soto-Karass was a stepping stone his next fight will tell us more about his chances at WW Don't know about Rocky Martinez Sergio Martinez was very good and showed good heart, got caught with one big punch but survived. The knee injury is what I would be most worried about. Will ring adjust the P4P rankings again? I think Chavez still can do well at middleweight, I think he gives almost all 160lbers problems with his size and relative power. There's a lot of good fights around the middleweight division at the moment, esp if Martinez is injured or moving down to 154. Chavez may lose his power adn size, his big assets, as he moves up in weight and I'm not sure I see a fight with Ward materialising.
The part in bold correct but I scored that fight a draw and many had Broner losing so his stock doesn't raise much. I don't think Chavez can continue to make 160 lbs just going by the way he looked at the weigh in, although he does seem to have the ability to rehydrate a lot of weight come fight night. Problem with Chavez is I can't see him doing all that well at 168 lbs since as you mention his advantage in size is gone and they all seem to have good skills and chin at 168 lbs top 5. Didn't score the Hernanez vs Ross fight but it was close although I felt Ross should have won. The scores were way to wide either way.
Who would he beat at SMW? Ward? :rofl Froch? Kessler? :rofl Abraham? Dirrell? :rofl The punch stats would be even a bigger landslide. Bute? Maybe if Bute's chin is as bad as it was in the Froch fight. But Jr.'s chin isn't granite neither and Bute does have power. The five best in the division would clown him.
Chavez is more limited than we even previously believed, and if not for Martinez's bravado in the last round, Junior would have lost in a shut out. That's the main thing we learned.
A faded, boozing Pavlik gave a YOUNGER, sharper Martinez a tougher fight than prime Chavez gave to an older, fading Martinez. Keep that in mind. Junior is getting far too much credit for his lucky 12th round. He ****in blows.
That Martinez has heart and is a bit of a nutter. Fighting when your hurt with someone the size of Chavez is madness. Martinez showed a decent beard in the 12th, took some massive shots. Maidana is looking better underr Garcia. He is using the jab and looked to have some skills rather than just a slugger. Santa Cruz is a beast! He throws combinations and is a scary dude.
What i learned last night is that NO man can put on 30lbs overnight and have the energy (yes he flagged in the second half of the fight but not significantly) to compete with an elite level fighter without some unfair help! In my mind marvilla won a shut out. That was bravado gone mad to show chavez how a champion fights!
What i learned last night is that NO man can put on 30lbs overnight and have the energy (yes he flagged in the second half of the fight but not significantly) to compete with an elite level fighter without some unfair help! In my mind marvilla won a shut out. That was bravado gone mad to show chavez how a champion fights!
:roll: That was no bravado there he was gassing out so he stood and traded. Quit making him out to be better than he is.
I never said the guy was going to win a title at 168. I said he would benefit from not having to drain himself down to 160. He showed the signs of being weight drained and was sluggish pretty much all night. This is akin to the Trinidad-De la Hoya fight when Tito was sluggish, but managed to muster up the energy to win the last four rouns. Now Jr. is no Tito, but he did manage to put Maravila down.
I never said he would win a title. I said he would benefit by moving up. One thing you said is that Jr.'s chin isn't granite, which it is. I think he would be better than Andrade, who almost beat Bute. He may not win a title, but he will be a contender. There comes a time, when your body just can't make the weight effectively anymore. Last night's performan was very lackluster from Chavez. I truly believe it was because of the trouble making weight.