What weight class would Rocky Marciano fight in in the present era?

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  1. McGrain

    McGrain Diamond Dog Staff Member

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    Almsot every elite professional fighter is "weak" when he makes weight. Almost all of them.

    But probably Marciano didn't mean what you think he means when he says "weak". He probably means he feels less than himself in terms of pushing guys around, in terms of dominating and bulling them. He might have felt that fighting guys weighing upwards of 200lbs while weighting 180lbs wouldn't have suited him.

    But even if you are absolutely right and he felt "weak", drained at 180lbs (and why would he? he ate reams of food and drank loads of fluids?) rest easy. Having done 175lbs on the scales, Marcaino would come to the ring weighing his proper 183lbs. Gaining 8lbs between weigh in and fight is literally negligible, it's nothing now.

    He could feel weak at weigh-in and his usual self at bell without any issue at all.
     
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  2. Journeyman92

    Journeyman92 Bob N Weave Full Member

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    It really is a lot of voodoo when we talk about Rocky.

    If that diet is true I believe the 215lbs walk around weight :lol:
     
  3. McGrain

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    I think there was some propaganda mixed in there, but he clearly had an enormous appetite and met it during training.
     
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  4. Journeyman92

    Journeyman92 Bob N Weave Full Member

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    What bothers me the most is how clear this all is and how hard they try to hide it.

    We can CLEARLY on film see him, we have reports about his training, we have reports about his diet we have his weights everything we need to put the myth to rest and they try and obscure every fact. It is all out in the open.

    He was a small guy, he could afford to lose weight he didn't train like Ares and he ate like a pig and we have tons of film of him fighting to dispel so much nonsense yet it persists? It is maddening.
     
  5. Gazelle Punch

    Gazelle Punch Boxing Addict Full Member

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    I don’t think LHW is a stretch with modern training but I certainly think MW is, even smw. Your right he could have meant how you said but really no way to know now. We do know he stated he felt much weaker in the low 180s so how far is reasonable to dehydrate?
     
  6. GOAT Primo Carnera

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    Would be perfect.

    He could fight at the 80s 190CW also I believe.
     
  7. Glass City Cobra

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    He'd probably be too slow and on the smaller side for the more spry athletic modern cruisers. Those guys are roughly the size of the 70's and 80's contenders and I don't fancy Rocky doing too well against many of them.

    A wise manager would have him campaign primarily at light heavyweight to become the top dog like a Hagler at middle. There he'd be able to maximize his best assets of power, endurance, and non stop pressure without having to worry about tall long armed guys constantly jabbing and leaning on him all night. Even if Rocky managed to beat such opponents, the matchups would quickly become a bore fest and very ugly so that would be bad for business. Think non stop PPVs of Tyson vs Green and Smith. :lol:

    He should only attempt a campaign at cruiser if the money is there and there are favorable matchups.
     
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  8. red corner

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    Like many old timers he'd be a cruiser weight
     
  9. McGrain

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    As I said, if what has been written about Marciano's eating habits is trueish, he can remove some miles, remove many, many calories, and make 175lbs without dehydrating at all. That's my forecast and it seems almost beyond reproach to me. He would almost certainly need to hurt himself to get down to 168lbs, but again, before someone reads that and starts shouting about why he would want to hurt himself A) the reasons are very very many and b) he would be almost himself in the ring due to the miracle that is modern recovery

    Some of his opponents though would come to the ring as Rocky HW opponents. This is the reality. People who talk about him fighting at moder cruiserweight don't seem to understand that he would be consistnetly matched with the heaviest world-class opponents he had ever met - guys weighing 215, 220. Not Johny Skhor or washed up Louis; prime, world clas opponents weighing more than what eigher of those men carried to the ring.

    If Marciano murdered George Groves for a title at SMW, on fight night he would be meeting a HW from his own era, a six foot 185lb man. An Ezzard Charles sized man. People don't like it, but it's real. George Groves would have fought for the HW title, probably, in Rocky's time. Making 175lbs consistently under those conditions would have been tough for him.
     
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  10. Bokaj

    Bokaj Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    I sure don't look as fit as Rocky when I'm around 17 or even lower. :)

    Around 10% sounds right which means he'd be about 175 lbs at a ripped 5%.
     
  11. janitor

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    As I have said, you clearly understand this topic better than I, but I will permit myself a couple of observations.

    There is something about what you are saying, that doesn't quite ring true to me.

    We don't have any super middles or light heavies today, that seem to have the kind of power that Marciano had, but as a small cruiser he starts to look more believable.

    Not saying that he couldn't do what you are saying of course.

    Not every fighter has elected to fight at the lowest weight possible for them.

    For example it is fairly safe to assume that Chris Byrd could have made light heavyweight at any stage of his career, but he chose to go after the bigger paydays at heavyweight.
     
  12. janitor

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    There are commercial scales that measure body fat %.

    While they might not be entirely accurate, I dares say that they are not entirely inaccurate either.

    From what I have seen, I am inclined to agree with the authors of the article that I posted.
     
  13. Drew101

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    Light Heavyweight sounds about right.
     
  14. McGrain

    McGrain Diamond Dog Staff Member

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    Marciano is a freak puncher. He is a puncher, at 180lbs, that is capable of knocking out basically any other 180lb fighter.

    We don't have any of those today either.

    The absence of a freak puncher at 168lbs currently is not a reasonable objection.

    There are some good punchers at LHW that would be capable of doing damage at 200lbs, so disagree there.

    Many, many more do so that add pounds to fight significantly bigger men which is your stated position from page one.

    In other words, you are working to negate my position in stating it's likely that Marciano would do what most other fighters do while simultaneously arguing that he would do something pretty unusual.

    Something I have already stated 3 or 4 times is possible.
     
  15. Turnip mk3

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    Cruiser. Wouldn't be much fun for the rest of the division. Broke ribs busted blood vessels in the arms! and teeth snapped off at the roots. Ouch.