What weight do you need to be to beat a top super heavyweight with skills?

Sorry , but only the only Brewster result that matter is the first when both combatants fought in their prime

Why would you chose the second fight where Brewster was too medically unfit to get a boxing licence? Beating a washed up damaged half retired Brewster does not mean Wlad was better than Brewster because we can all see what fit and prime Brewster done to Wlad.

Emmm .. Fury already proved he was better than anybody on Wlds resime by beating Wlad.. Haye ?? lol , joke.

Haye ducked Fury twice then went on to get beaten by Tony Bellew. That win no longer means anything for Wlad and his performance in that fight was an embarrassment.

Lewis was 38 , slow , fat and underprepared when he beat Vitali. Mayweather was 39 when he beat Paquaio.
If Wlad was an ATG like them he would have won , but instead he lost in an utterly embarrassing fashion.

Fury clowned him. ATGs simply do not get toy'd with like that in their primes.
Lewis Fury , Bowe were in a totally different class than Wlad. .
Wlad was a few levels below and that indisputable .

 

How many more time do i have to send you home with a pat on the bum?

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There you have it.. Wlad got battered by a healthy prime Brewster and could only beat a damaged shot to pieces Brewster.

Only one fight matters and its the first one.

 

Then what do you call this

http://cdn.newsday.com/polopoly_fs/...age.JPG_gen/derivatives/display_960/image.JPG

http://i2.mirror.co.uk/incoming/art...ES/s510b/Wladimir-Klitschko-vs-Tyson-Fury.jpg

Thats a clowning. Words of advice. Don't argue against photographic evidence.

 

More data for you, Mendoza :

Dominick Guinn outpointed Audley Harrison in 2006.
Harrison was 6'6 and 255 with an 86" reach. Harrison was 2000 Olympics gold medalist at Super Heavyweight.
Guinn was 6'3 and 228. (right in the middle of your requested 217-238 range)

Harrison was also KO'd by a 210 pound David Haye but since you've already proven SHWs tend to get knocked out I know you're looking for the times their chins didn't fail them but where they still lost fights.

 

wow, classless, Mendoza picking on the failings of Parkinsonians patients.

DO you kick them off your feet when you see them struggling around town? evil little man.

 

I dont understand this thread.

Do any of Mike Tyson's opponents qualify as skilled superheavys? Off hand, Say, Tucker, ruddock, Smith, Bruno and probably Douglas. That would give a 220lb or so fighter a pretty good record.

Also, Shouldnt Douglas and George Foreman also qualify as a skilled superheavyweights for holyfield. Both seem big enough, were (or would become) world champions and could concievably be picked to beat the three super heavys you named.

Would 208 lb michael spinks win over Gerry Cooney count?

Is this data of any relevance?

 

if michael spinks ate loads of pies until he wieghed 250lbs then he sure wouldda koed larry holmes in round 1 yehhah.

the voice in Mendozas head speaks thus.

 

Mendoza's criteria are a 217-238 man beating a 240+ man, and he's most interesting in wins on points.

He also is interested in 190-210 man beating a 240+ man.
(I'm not sure what happened to 211-216 pounds ...)

Tyson's opponents were generally not 240+ and he never won against a man that size on points. Bruno in the second fight was the only one you mention who was 240+.

Holyfield-Douglas deserves a mention, yes. That's a 208 man beating a 246 man. But it's just a KO so not as interesting to the study.

Holyfield-Foreman should count, I think. But maybe Foreman's too old or something.

Cooney was only 238 against Spinks. And it was a stoppage anyway.

None of us understand what's occuring in the genius mind of Mendoza.
He's working on something big with this data.
We have to trust his method.
All will be revealed in good time.

 

Okay, So Nicolai Valuevs loss to David Haye and Russia Chagaev are importand but offset by his win over Holyfield. Or perhaps Nicolai does not qualify as a skilled superheavy?

 

if he can win a world title hes skilled, dude.

Just his size held him back in terms of cardio and the amount of strength he could exert effectively.

 

Good call.
Valuev's losses fit the requirements.

 

Mostly stamina BC anyone over 220 can't sustain a high punch count except Ali BC he's the greatest. Barring him everyone else are lumbering and slow after the 70's BC they became fat and lazy,just look at Butterbean? Where did that guy get a licence?

They just don't make fighters like the old days , but a 220 plus guy will need stamina bc hes going to get punched around if he were to continuously fight any sub 200 pounder who can move.

These super inferior heavies of 250 are truly lucky they made a Cruiser Weight division BC it took all the 190/200 pounders away or they would be champions at HW today.

 

Just got back from Venice.Im looking at this thread and thinking not one single poster agrees with the OP on his original premise , his subsequent arguments, or attempts at rationalisation. Wouldn't that tell you something if you were the thread maker?