What welterweights would you pick to beat the Duran of the first Leonard fight?

I think you should calm down a little, you're going to end up in the hospital on Christmas.

Where and how did I do anything even remotely like claim Hearns was prime in the Barkley rematch?? I'm saying that Barkley did not "get lucky" with Hearns, because he beat him twice in two different ways. That would have to be some crazy luck now, wouldn't it?

You choose Duran II? That speaks volumes, to be honest. Benitez was a far more complete all-round performance than Duran II, where Leonard spent much of his time clowning around.

Can you read?? I said I am a great dis-believer in the first Leonard-Hearns fight. How in your small, strange brain does that mean I am not a Ray Leonard fan?

 

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Leonard totally embarrassed a guy that had just beaten him very recently. Benitez didn't look like beating him. Hell, he made him quit.

Maybe for you it's about looking pretty and eloquent, but for some it's the "W" column and getting the job done :good

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Well, throw a blow job from Scarlett Johanssen in the bargain, and you're sure getting close.

 

I've always favoured Robinson clearly, there's always been people who feel Duran on this night could do it, not me.

 

Duran that night ranks with the best welterweights. Robnson beats him. Hearns always presents a problem. Gavilan and Griffith would trouble him. Napoles was very good. Maybe Whitaker. That would be interesting.

That Duran beats Ray Leonard everytime, though. Duran was just better than Leonard at that weight. He dominated a prime Leonard. He also dominated Palomino, who was an outstanding welterweight. Duran was proven at the welter. You have to rank him very highly.

 

I still think this guy would smash Duran.

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Your point doesn't really cut it though, considering Barkley beat him twice, and I had already explained why I did not think that you could say Barkley was "lucky":

Benitez was a more complete boxing performance by far. The Duran fight was more high profile sure, but Leonard did not prove the range of his ability in that fight, especially not his offensive side. As I say, your analysis of Ray's 'best performance' speaks volumes about your grasp of the sport.

This is a hopelessly idiotic point.

I have been saying that Benitez was Leonard's best performance. How on earth is deciding on a fighter's best performance about the "W column and getting the job done"??? That doesn't even make sense, in fact it borders on rank stupidity.

Benitez was a "W" where Leonard got the job done as was Duran II anyway, but in order to decide on what was the better performance you have to distinguish between them... don't you???

I distinguish between them and choose Benitez as the superior performance by looking beyond the "W" and the job being done. I look at Leonard's performance in both, and decide that he showed the full range of his abilities vs Benitez (which he did not do to the same extent in Duran II), and thus decide on Benitez as the better performance because it was (to use your ill-fitting word) "prettier", in that it was a more impressive all-round boxing display.


How exactly does a boxer look 'eloquent' anyway???

Wrong again chum. If you look back one page, you will see this comment from myself:

Does that sound like something redrooster would say?

Nope, did not think so. :good

 

I'm surprised this thread is still going? Anyway, every fighter's resume can be picked apart trust me on that. People try to be unbiased or say they are unbiased but nobody really is. You are going to pull for the fighter you like everytime.

 

It is possible to be biased and yet also realistic and fair you know.

 

At middle, he'd win. At Welter? Nah.

 

Hearns would beat him every time. Pernell Whitaker would beat him. Floyd might if he stayed away. To beat Duran you beat him with speed. Foot speed first than hand speed. Benitez beat him easily also.