What went wrong exactly with Canelo's career post-Bivol?

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  1. m.s.

    m.s. Boxing Addict Full Member

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    I think Canelo's record would be different, other fighters would share in the credit pie, but Canelo would still be undisputed at 168lbs, and still a top star. For example, lets say GGG VS Canelo 1 was a loss for Canelo, the rematch was a draw, and the third fight was a decision win for Canelo. Canelo would still have won 2 middleweight titles, one vs Cotto and one vs Jacobs. He would still be a four division champ, and Golovkin would have 24 consecutive title defenses instead of 20. And the trilogy would have been 1-1-1. But no, everything went his direction.
     
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  2. m.s.

    m.s. Boxing Addict Full Member

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    I remember it in the news. I didn't make it up.
     
  3. shadow111

    shadow111 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    If the trilogy was 1-1-1 then you'd be asking for a 4th fight to prove who the best man is despite how one-sided the 3rd fight was. You'd be calling for GGG to come out of retirement now to fight Canelo for a 4th time because the rivalry couldn't end 1-1-1 and we'd probably end up having a pointless 4th fight that nobody wants since Canelo already proved he was the best.

    Thank goodness we didn't end up in that scenario.
     
  4. m.s.

    m.s. Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Canelo was better at 32 than GGG was at 40, it wouldn't prove Canelo was better at all. Canelo had the loss prevention task force on his side.
     
  5. humbug

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    You don’t get it mang. You’re just a fan. You want the best possible fights every month. You have no comprehension of profits and losses.
     
  6. m.s.

    m.s. Boxing Addict Full Member

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    I know, Canelo was the cash cow, I get it. They were trying to use GGG as a spring board to greatness, and it worked with alot of help from the judges.
     
  7. shadow111

    shadow111 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Canelo was the best boxer each time. He landed the harder more effective, more damaging punches each time, he showcased better elusiveness and defense each time, he landed more body shots each time. You wanna play the cash cow card because it suits your fandom. This is all stems from the fact that Canelo proved you and all the GGG fans who guaranteed victory wrong. Not once, not twice, but all three times.
     
  8. m.s.

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    The judges helped Canelo twice, big time, not a little, but alot. The 3rd fight they got right. I think Canelo is great for going 36 rounds with GGG and not getting knocked down or out. That was impressive, win 2 and one draw? Absurd. Beyond ridiculous. 2 wins and draw for GGG is more like.
     
  9. lobk

    lobk Original ESB Member Full Member

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    Nothing went wrong with his career. He can fight nobodies and people are still paying to watch. He didn’t lose any fight and made a ton of money.
     
  10. shadow111

    shadow111 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    He did more than just go 36 rounds with GGG. He impressed each time and inflicted far more damage on GGG than anyone else did. Given how close and competitive we know the first 2 were, those were always going to produce close and controversial scorecards. You're acting like it's inconceivable that the first match was a draw and the second was a very close Canelo win. That is absurd. It's one thing to score those for GGG which I've said many times is perfectly acceptable, but you do not need to claim absurdity over the results given how well Canelo fought, to the surprise of many GGG fans who expected a mismatch. Canelo did way better than you expected but rather than accept that and give him credit you act incredulous at the results when you know full well how close and competitive they were. Again, scoring them for GGG is one thing, which I find very acceptable, as long as you can admit how close and hard to score they were, which to this day you refuse to do.
     
  11. m.s.

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    Both fights were classics and they enhanced each other career, but they got the wrong guy winning. It's misleading historically. The writing was on the wall before the fight, I knew GGG needed to beat Canelo like he did Martin Murray in order to get a decision.
     
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  12. Scar

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    I don't see anything wrong.
     
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  13. Scar

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    First fight with Gennady "The Tomato Can Devourer" Golovkin was a draw. Both fighters looked terrible, Alvarez tired from round 5+, and The Tomato Can Devourer was more stiff than a tree.
    The rematch however, Alvarez pummeled him and in the third fight the Tomato Can Devourer started to look like the many tomato cans he devoured throughout his younger years. In the end, and as you know, you are what you eat.

    Just incase you're forgetting, the T Can Devourer's biggest win to date is Brook, a blown up Welterweight.
     
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    sdot_thadon Active Member Full Member

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    I think Benavidez will be a tough out but I feel like he can still win it as long as he doesn't sit on the matchup too long. Bivol? I'm not sure he beats Bivol in a rematch, possible but not probable imo.
     
  15. m.s.

    m.s. Boxing Addict Full Member

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    I see you haven't changed. :lol: