What were Julio Cesar Chavez Sr.’s flaws as a boxer, if he even had any?

See my earlier reply fella and then, with the best will in the world, jog on. I don't care enough to get into protracted name-calling and such, although I'll hold my hand up and say that I started it, which is unusual for me albeit with a throwaway remark because I felt the post in question deserved little better. Apologies for that. Still, at least call me a c*** or something, nut hugger is a pish insult.

 

LOl, that's what happens with you duran huggers, to say that Chavez can beat him at 135 all of a sudden you would think I discredited his whole career! LOl, as I stated earlier, I rate Duran higher than Chavez, but that does not mean that a fight with Chavez at 135 is a foregone conclusion. Neither guy faced anyone at their level in that weight and to say Chavez has no chance of beating a prime Duran is exactly the kind of bias that im talking about. If anything you are the onewith the agenda because you can't envision Duran ever losing at 135 where there were fights where he struggled to win against fighters lesser than Chavez.

 

I appreciate the apology, I also apologise for the name calling; it's pretty immature. Either way we can all agree we love boxing LOL

 

No, I never said Duran wasn't capable of losing at 135. I think Whitaker-Duran is a fight where a case can be made for either.

I just think that they were BOTH better than Chavez.

 

That's your opinion, we just have to agree to disagree

 

Don't let the facts get in the way of his narrative.

Notice how he can only try to discredit Duran's accomplishments, without actually presenting Chavez's.

It's because resume and accomplishment wise there's no case to be made for JCC.

 

Benitez also couldn't beat moore or barkley like Duran. To me it's just an excuse!

 

Whos talking about resume? I simply stated Chavez/ Duran is a toss up in that I don't think either guy dominated the other easily. The fact that your going out of your way to defend every loss of Duran while he was still in prime tells me you have a hero complex, so I won't continue arguing with some ones hero.

 

No, a "toss up" suggests that either guy could win, and I asked you to present an argument for Chavez beating Duran. If you step back objectively, and admire BOTH, it'd be hard to make that argument when Duran was better in most areas.

 

If you follow or know basketball, the Duran vs Chavez comparison is exactly like Michael Jordan vs Kobe Bryant comparison.

Both were phenomenal, but one was clearly better/greater.

 

Chavez was a better inside fighter at 135 than Duran was. Duran made many mistakes that he got away with at 135, like lunging forward and into punches. He also would get frustrated and winded when fighters tended to attack his body. Chavez was one of the best body punchers , and more technical and adept at that weight at slipping and rolling on the inside. Duran's defense wasn't as effective at that weight and it would show. Ultimately, Duran was physically stronger and possibly quicker, so in the end that's why I say it's a toss up

 

Of course it's speculation, so is saying that Duran might have been outclassed by Whitaker. Fantasy fights are all speculation. Prior to that, I gave an observation that Duran during his lightweight days showed an evolution in style, range and approach and learned it fight by fight from winning the title onwards. Some of those fights were against lesser but tricky opponents where I don't feel that Duran gave concerted efforts consistently or looked like losing. He did, at various points in his career IMO, below 147, look dominant and great against retreating, defensively skilled (to differing degrees) fighters like Buchanan, Marcel, DeJesus, Fernandez etc. You said that he struggled with Benitez and that I was making excuses. But it seems logical to me that a fighter whose approach is based on aggression will lose his speed of foot, reflexes, speed and consistency of timing the higher he moves up in weight and the older he gets. In Duran's case, over 30 years old after 80 or so professional fights and 20lbs above his best weight. Do you disagree with that? Or that Benitez was naturally bigger and younger? That seems more logical and commonsensical to me than extrapolating that an older, slower, fatter version of a fighter can be used as the benchmark point in deciding how he might do when he was lighter, younger, fitter and better against a fighter with some stylistic similarities. So does a styles makes fights observation (proven throughout boxing history) when comparing why a fighter won one fight and lost another when the two opponents are very different and Duran visibly not the fighter he was at 135. I think that's logical and I think that most would agree. If Duran had lost in his heyday to Benitez if Benitez was naturally smaller, that carries a lot more weight. I don't rate Whitakers chances based on the DLH and Trinidad fights by the same token.

 

Agreed