what will folk say if fury beats usyk next year

But no one did to to Tyson. So how can someone do that to Tyson if no one did it to Tyson first

You get my point

 

Great post. The undisputed fight is a one-off event. It's also obviously a risk for Fury, who currently has a high commercial value and (this is important) business relationships based on that value. The path to it as I see it is Fury's Netflix series captures lots of casuals (be interesting to see if the Ngannou fight features as a plot point). Then he fights Ngannou, presumably hoovering up some MMA fans along the way AND capturing the bag he wanted from Saudi. THEN they build the undisputed fight and can pitch it to the largest possible audience. It's a step up from relying on adverts during the footy to sell a fight.

 

A long, long time ago, I can still remember
How that music used to make me smile
And I knew if I had my chance
That I could make those people dance
And maybe they'd be happy for a while
But February made me shiver
With every paper I'd deliver
Bad news on the doorstep
I couldn't take one more step
I can't remember if I cried
When I read about his widowed bride
But something touched me deep inside
The day the music died
So, bye, bye, Miss American Pie
Drove my Chevy to The Levee, but The Levee was dry
And them good old boys were drinkin' whiskey in Rye
Singin', "This'll be the day that I die
This'll be the day that I die"
Did you write the Book of Love?
And do you have faith in God above
If the Bible tells you so?
Do you believe in rock 'n' roll?
Can music save your mortal soul?
And can you teach me how to dance real slow?
Well, I know that you're in love with him
'Cause I saw you dancing in the gym
You both kicked off your shoes
Then I dig those rhythm and blues
I was a lonely teenage broncin' buck
With a pink carnation and a pickup truck
But I knew I was out of luck
The day the music died
I started singin', "Bye-bye, Miss American Pie"
Drove my Chevy to The Levee, but The Levee was dry
Them good old boys were drinkin' whiskey in Rye
Singin', "This'll be the day that I die
This'll be the day that I die"
Now for ten years we've been on our own
And moss grows fat on a rollin' stone
But that's not how it used to be
When the jester sang for the king and queen
In a coat he borrowed from James Dean
And a voice that came from you and me
Oh, and while the king was looking down
The jester stole his thorny crown
The courtroom was adjourned
No verdict was returned
And while Lennon read a book on Marx
The quartet practiced in the park
And we sang dirges in the dark
The day the music died
We were singin', "Bye-bye Miss American Pie"
Drove my Chevy to The Levee, but The Levee was dry
Them good old boys were drinkin' whiskey in Rye
Singin', "This'll be the day that I die
This'll be the day that I die"
Helter Skelter in the summer swelter
The birds flew off with a fallout shelter
Eight miles high and fallin' fast
It landed foul on the grass
The players tried for a forward pass
With the jester on the sidelines in a cast
Now, the half-time air was sweet perfume
While the sergeants played a marching tune
We all got up to dance
Oh, but we never got the chance
'Cause the players tried to take the field
The marching band refused to yield
Do you recall what was revealed
The day the music died?
We started singin', "Bye-bye, Miss American Pie"
Drove my Chevy to The Levee, but The Levee was dry
Them good old boys were drinkin' whiskey in Rye
And singin', "This'll be the day that I die
This'll be the day that I die"
Oh, and there we were, all in one place
A generation lost in space
With no time left to start again
So come on, Jack be nimble, Jack be quick
Jack Flash sat on a candlestick
'Cause fire is the devil's only friend
Oh, and as I watched him on the stage
My hands were clenched in fists of rage
No angel born in Hell
Could break that Satan's spell
And as the flames climbed high into the night
To light the sacrificial rite
I saw Satan laughing with delight
The day the music died
He was singin', "Bye-bye, Miss American Pie"
Drove my Chevy to The Levee, but The Levee was dry
Them good old boys were drinkin' whiskey in Rye
And singin', "This'll be the day that I die
This'll be the day that I die"
I met a girl who sang the blues
And I asked her for some happy news
But she just smiled and turned away
I went down to the sacred store
Where I'd heard the music years before
But the man there said the music wouldn't play
And in the streets, the children screamed
The lovers cried and the poets dreamed
But not a word was spoken
The church bells all were broken
And the three men I admire most
The Father, Son, and the Holy Ghost
They caught the last train for the coast
The day the music died
And they were singin', "Bye-bye, Miss American Pie"
Drove my Chevy to The Levee, but The Levee was dry
And Them good old boys were drinkin' whiskey in Rye
Singin', "This'll be the day that I die
This'll be the day that I die"
They were singin', "Bye-bye, Miss American Pie"
Drove my Chevy to The Levee, but The Levee was dry
Them good old boys were drinkin' whiskey in Rye
Singin', "This'll be the day that I die"

 

Don’t waste your time, the guy is mentally challenged. Unfortunately he has been on the british board for a while now.

 

Usyk is without a doubt a skilled technical boxer however I fail to see what Usyk has done either at Cruiserweight or Heavyweight for you to predict that Usyk will not only batter Fury but batter him from pillar to post . Tbh if they fight I would not be surprised after all this hype over this Undisputed fight that it turns out to be nothing but a spoiler of a chess match,hopefully not and we get to see a good fight but the fight needs to be made first as we all know .

 

I agree Breidis deserved a rematch with Usyk,he certainly ran him the closest of his time at Cruiserweight .

 

Fury's toughest fight, by his own admission, was Cunningham. The second toughest fight (apart from the first McDermott bout which he clearly lost) was against Wallin who arguably TKOd Fury - the only reason that fight wasn't stopped was because of Fury's then-recent multi million dollar deal struck with ESPN. It was boxing corruption at its nastiest.

Now, look at what caused Fury problems in these two fights:
- how agile, mobile, well-balanced and well coordinated the other guy was (Cunningham)
- how the other guys utilised his jab and counterpunching as a southpaw (Wallin)

If you combine all these attributes, you get Usyk - the only thing is, Usyk is ten times the fighter Cunningham and Wallin could ever dream of being. Simply put, Usyk is the worst stylistic nightmare for Fury.

He said it himself about Cunningham that he was quick, he was outboxing him, he was outmoving him, he couldn't do anything as Cunningham was basically just a better boxer than him. The usual Fury apologist response to that is that the Cunningham fight was so long ago and how much Fury improved since. And to that, my response/question is always left unanswered, no Fury fan has ever been able to answer this: how do you know? We don't have evidence. Not one bit. We know that Fury is effective against clumsy KO artist one-trick-ponies and plodders like Whyte. So? What evidence do we have that he would fare any better today against a fighter like Cunningham? He never fought a similar guy ever since. The only one who could be somewhat similar as he could move a bit for a HW was Wallin. And guess what: he struggled against Wallin too, quite recently.

So it's basically an evidence based conclusion when I say that Usyk is the worst possible matchup for Fury. When people say how long ago the Cunningham fight was, not only they can't answer my rebuttal about how Fury has never fought anyone like Cunningham since so you can't say that that fight is irrelevant now as it was so long ago, but they also forget how Fury was some 40 lbs lighter, faster, more agile, more mobile back then.

If anything, Fury becoming heavier hence slower and more of a power puncher, it's the opposite of what would be needed against a smaller, mobile, skilled guy like that. Fury won't be able to catch Usyk, he won't be able to lean on him. This is yet another thing Fury apologists forget: Usyk has experience in and is very comfortable with fighting taller, heavier guys. In a rare moment of honesty, even Fury admitted this after the Chisora sparring last December when he mentioned that Joshua wasn't that much smaller than him and if Usyk could beat Joshua then he could challenge him too.

There's no way, absolutely no way Fury can beat Usyk. He simply doesn't have the tools. Kronk style or not, he is still isn't a harder puncher than Joshua or Gassiev or Briedis P4P. Usyk took the best these guys could offer and they couldn't even knock him down once in a combined 48 rounds. Fury also doesn't have the legs to cause Usyk problems. And if anything thinks that Fury, who has been spending most of his adult life binge eating, boozing, doing drugs and ballooning up to 400+ lbs, can have a better engine than Usyk who has always been the consummate professional when it came to his diet and lifestyle, doesn't know boxing at best and just trolling at worst. Fury can't outlast Usyk in terms of stamina - just look at how spent he was after the third Wilder fight. Wilder was nothing but a walking punching bag from the 5th round on, so Fury didn't have to spend any mental and physical energies to defending, boxing on the back foot, moving away from accurate punches with his head and torso. He basically hit Wilder at will, bullied him around, kept leaning on him - and still he was totally knackered. Does anyone believe that a 280 lbs guy who gets tired by the 11th from throwing 150 punches can outlast a guy who throws 150 punches in the last two rounds alone?

So there you go, that's my answer. I don't care about feelings and convictions and whatnot. I base my views on evidence. The evidence shows that Fury's nightmare fight is Usyk and this is further proved about how he kept ducking him since early 2022. Look at how easy the Whyte, the Chisora or the Ngannou (lol) fight got made. No trash talking from Fury, no moving the goalposts about going back on his word regarding percentages, venues, dates, rematch clauses. No IG-posting about the other guy ten times a day, no name calling, no drama. Why do you think that is? Fury wanted to price himself and and/our run the clock down against Usyk. Last year he demanded a tune up for Usyk - so he fought Whyte. Why did he need a tune up? He'd just fought Wilder, what ring rust could he have had? And in what universe does a fight against Whyte tune you up against someone like Usyk?

Anyway, long story short: the facts, the evidence all show how Fury doesn't want to fight Usyk as he knows he would lose.

 

I'd say, "OK, so Fury's the man after all" and congratulate him. Why would I make excuses? Usyk fans aren't about dat life yo.

 

I never underestimated your mental problems, mate, so it's not surprising you would write stuff like that.

 

Nice reply, certainly conviction in your post and some good raised points,however the Cunningham fight over 10 years ago was Furys American debut and he was also without Peter in his corner and whilst I agree Cunningham had his moments but the fight ended with a knockout from Fury. They only have one common opponent in Chisora who Fury beat more decisively but as we know not all triangle theory’s play out as expected. Hopefully the fight happens along with the other Saudi fights and then we will all see who comes out with the victory and in what manner .

 

The situation was/is quite different. Hrgovic v Zhang (the IBF final eliminator) happened on the undercard of Usyk v Joshua 2 (the rematch). Plus, it wasn't really the IBF going out of their way to strip Fury. It was Kathy Duva (Glazkov's promoter) who was setting the wheels in motion and making sure they kept spinning (on behalf of her fighter). Now, if Usyk v Fury 2 had happened, I imagine that Hearn and Sauerland would have been doing the same on behalf of Hrgovic. In fact, I suspect that they still will if Fury v Usyk 1 comes back on the table before Hrgovic gets his IBF title shot.

A better comparison would be when Ruiz Jr. v Joshua 2 happened and there was an established IBF mandatory in Pulev waiting for his shot. But I guess Pulev was happy waiting on that in the hope his Joshua retirement pay day would materialize. Personally, I think Ruiz Jr. should have been stripped given Fury had been, but there was no one pushing the IBF for it unfortunately.

 

what makes you think they're going to fight next year?