What will Pac's options be after he gets stomped by Joshua Clottey?

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  1. link2296

    link2296 Boxing Addict banned

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    Wow...it's amazing how most, when reviewing the Cotto/Clottey fight forget that Cotto started to deteriorate after the vicious headbutt which resulted in a very bad cut. Even preoccupied with a badly cut eye, Cotto still did enough to get a decision. I criticize Clottey for not putting his foot to the gas and punishing Cotto in the Championship rounds. He would have won the fight if he had.

    I can see the Pac fight being just like the Oscar De La hoya fight. Clottey getting discouraged and packing it in in the mid to late rounds.
     
  2. The_Mediator

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    You don't know much about Clottey if you are saying this. This is the man who fought Margarito, close and tough with injured hands. Hands that hurt him to punch or block. A fight he had to defend against 1675 punches! He one tough guy.

    I do agree that Clottey could have done much more to make the decision beyond doubt but I doubt that would have made a difference though: 111-116,112-115,114-113.

    This is no de la Hoya fight. Clottey has good defense, quick hands, right handed, can counter and will be bigger than Pac on fight night.

    It wasn't a headbutt. It was an accidental clash of heads. Watch the fight. What was deliberate was the body slam, the lows blows and the rabbit punch.

    Watch the fight without the sound. Try looking at what punches are being thrown by both fighters and which punches are landing cleanly, which punches are affecting who.

    Cotto wasn't doing much better in the 2nd and 3rd rounds, he was throwing punches and landing very few whiles taking clean shots from Clottey. He was losing even the first round before the KD. Same trend for rounds 4 and 5. Round 6 Clottey's movement was restricted because of the knee but even then he landed the more clean and effective punches. Rounds 7-10 Cotto was dominated. Round 11 was even, but the more clean\effective punches were from the aggressive Clottey, round 12 was a slight Cotto round. Keywords LAND, CLEAN, EFFECTIVE.

    Watch both fighters last 6 fights and get an idea of BOTH their styles, then make your predictions. Clottey: Cotto, Judah, Jose Luis Cruz, Shamone Alvarez, Felix Flores, Diego Corrales. Pac: Cotto, Hatton, de la Hoya, Diaz, Marquez II, Barrera II.

    As a side note Cotto caused more damage to Pac whiles losing than he did to Clottey whiles winning.
     
  3. link2296

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    I know Clottey very well and has a history of headbutting or fouling his opponents if the fight isn't going his way. Look how many times there have been headbutts or low blows during his fights. Coincidence? Maybe, but highly unlikely.

    He is a very skilled fighter, but he reminds me of Muhamad Abdulaev in the fact that he is a very good offensive fighter, but only throws punches when his opponent stops punching. Pac won't stop throwing and will turn Clottey effectively. Clottey's best punch, like DLH is his left hook. He like DLH is a natural southpaw who fights in an orthodox stance. He doesn't throw the straight right very often. This is why i think it will resemble the DLH fight.
     
  4. The_Mediator

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    Clottey is an orthodox fighter, naturally and by training. His best punch is the left hook, but it not just a left hook punch, its a left hook combination, he always throws them in triples or quadruples, to the body and head. His best punch against a south paw is a straight right, watch the Judah fight. He throws all these punching correctly, accurately and quickly.

    He just doesn't wait for his opponent to stop punching, he waits to get an opening whiles not compromising himself, he'll counter you if he can get this opportunity whiles you are punching. He doesn't believe in taking punishment to give punishment.

    Pac can't turn Clottey effectively, his foot placement against southpaws is very good(watch the Judah fight), he'll have to use in and out. Pac does not throw 100 punches consistently a round at welterweight, he does stop throwing within rounds, he'll also be fighting backing up, because unlike de la Hoya, Clottey will be pressuring Pac from behind a very tight guard and a stiff jab.

    I wonder whether a lot of people have considered what happens if Pac can't get through Clottey's guard, if Pac can't move sideways against Clottey, if Pac can't get to Clottey body without taking punishment. What else can Pac do under those circumstances?

    If Clottey uses a stiff jab from behind that tight guard(remember, he doesn't leave himself very open when punching) Pac will be in a world of trouble because he'll have to take more risk to get in range to punch and that is where Clottey excels, close and inside fighting.

    Pac has the natural abilities to win, mostly foot and hand speed but he'll have to be on top of his game and disciplined. He has to be disciplined and focused tactically and technically, no Wapakman, superman beliefs. He has to forget about power and pleasing the crowd in this fight.

    The essence of boxing is hit and don't be hit and the most important rule in boxing is defend yourself at all times. Clottey follows these religiously, sometimes too much so.
     
  5. The_Mediator

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    Clottey has had 38 fights, he's had 1 DQ on headbutts, one point deduction for low blows, in a fight his opponent was also deducted points in for low blows(Clottey's were retaliatory). So mention the other fights he been in and headbutted(deliberately or accidentally, apart from Cotto) or low blowed his opponent. He has been on the end of more low blows than he's given out in his career.
     
  6. tays001

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    Now don't get me wrong Bradley is a good fighter with very good skills. but i've seen him hurt a feew times. pac has the speed and Power to catch more often then holt did. Also i Don't tim can Deel with Bigg punchers. he didn beat a old and non prime witter beat holt Lamont peterson was a good solid win. but i want to see how he would deal with a Urango or a maidana.
     
  7. arsabs

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    do you happen to be a jewish promoter?:lol:
     
  8. COOK'D

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    No way Pac retires if he loses. Doesn't work with fighters like that, he'd try and avenge it. He may eventually go out on a loss, but no way is Clottey his last fight, win or lose.
     
  9. Brutalwayz

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    When PBF loses he'll use his rematch clause, so that fights a no go for Pac, and I honestly believe Berto can beat Pac at 147(nothing less). And what do you mean if he should go back to 140, he never went to 147.
     
  10. Boxed Ears

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    Clottey's a good fighter for sure...Erik Morales is a great fighter. Let's try and get our heads out of our asses here.