What will you guys think if Wlad ends up fighting Haye instead of Vitali?

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  1. WiDDoW_MaKeR

    WiDDoW_MaKeR ESB Hall of Fame Member Full Member

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    Everything that you are saying doesn't have ANY bearing whatsoever on the talent in the division. You are simply pointing out how corrupt the sanctioning organizations are that they aren't giving title shots to the right guys, and they are trying their best to prevent unifications. The WBC, and the WBA mean absolutely nothing right now. Wlad is the true champ, and everything else is just nonsense.

    About Holyfield making runs for the title at his advanced age... unless you don't know much about boxing history... this happens all of the time. Not only that... but have you ever heard of George Foreman? Do you happen to know what his age was when he actually KNOCKED OUT the champ during the "great 90's" era of heavyweights? Not only did he become champ... but he was actually THE champ when he knocked Moorer out. Could you see Holyfield beating the true Champ, Wlad? Of course not..

    Maskaev didn't win any sort of real title, he won the title by beating Rahman, who was handed the title because Vitali was injured in training... and then Maskaev was stopped by the first live body that he fought afterwards. Just because the WBC is tossing around that title like a hot potato doesn't mean that the rest of the division sucks. Just like the WBA rotating title shots between Ruiz and Holyfield, over and over... that isn't the rest of the divisions fault... that just proves that the WBA is meaningless.

    Tony Thompson was 36, not 38... and it was a mandatory defense. He also had pretty decent wins going into that fight against Guinn, T. Ibragimov, and Luan Krasniqi. He also had a very long unbeaten streak that lasted 8 years.

    Why do you keep talking about guys being limited? Who the hell isn't limited? Who are the "unlimited" fighters out there? Wlad is knocking off top ranked undefeated contenders and people are complaining about it.. it ridiculous.

    As far as talking about how Golota, Ruddock, ect... would have done... you are talking straight out of your ass. Golota has NEVER, EVER proved his worth, and he has been given a million. The same people that point to what he did to Bowe to prove that he was a good fighter, are the same people who will tell you that Bowe was past it when he fought Golota. People want it both ways. Even in those fights, Golota simply couldn't finish a tough fight. The man couldn't even get past the pathetic Michael Grant. Golota is NOT a top notch boxer, and never would have been in any era. The man simply doesn't have it mentally.... that wouldn't change. Also, he is simply not that good to begin with. Ruddock? Please, this man is still living off of hype that he couldn't even live up to when he was active. The guy was never anything special. The man gets stopped by David Jaco, and people act like he would be walking all over the top fighters today. Take a long hard look at Ruddock's resume... it was NOT impressive. Stop lying to yourself.

    Lennox Lewis himself never really turned his career on until he was into his 30's... if you haven't noticed.. many of the heavyweights from these bigger era's don't fully mature into the best version of themselves until well into their 30's. So... once again, that doesn't mean anything anyways.
     
  2. Farmboxer

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    Vitali was scheduled to fight Ruddock, Ruddock pulled because of a groin injury. Golota would have no chance vs. Vitali or Vlad. I really see no fighter in the top ten beating Klitschkos.

    Talk about prejudice...............the extreme hatred of European fighters by some is sick!

    Klitschko are skilled fighters and have proven themselves in the ring, both pro and amateur, but the lies continue. Klitschkos are not being judged for their skills and talent and that's a shame.
     
  3. Suge Green

    Suge Green Boxing Junkie banned

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    Let's not you racist piece of sh*t...it has no place in a boxing discussion.
     
  4. Farmboxer

    Farmboxer VIP Member Full Member

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    I campaigned for Obama, so that makes me a racists? LOL! You are very funny. I was a former chairperson of NAACP consumer protection committee. So..........tell me why Klitschkos are hated so very much and why you think they can't fight? I remember your Peter prediction...........you must love Teddy Atlas?
     
  5. Suge Green

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    Yeah, I picked against the KLIT's twice...both SAm Peter fights...so what.

    He almost had WLAD, and we know what happened with ViTKLiT...If you had any kind of credentials in battling racism, you sure the hell wouldn't be trying to play the race card.

    That's a disgusting move...and it's an attempt to drag this board into the gutter. Disgusting.
     
  6. WiDDoW_MaKeR

    WiDDoW_MaKeR ESB Hall of Fame Member Full Member

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    You already do a wonderful job of trying to drag this board into the gutter.:good
     
  7. Farmboxer

    Farmboxer VIP Member Full Member

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    I have lived it, so I know who I am. Do you know who you are?

    Your boxing knowledge sucks. You pick with hate, not with skills/knowledge. Do you remember Vitali Vs. Hide in London? That will be Vitali Vs. Haye in London all over again, but Haye is still running from Hide! Where is he?
     
  8. thesandman

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    So you admit Vitalys title "means nothing". Excellent.



    Listen dickhead, being patronising doesn't work with arguments. Argue facts, not people.

    Yes, I realise what age Foreman was at the time. I watched it live in a bar. How old were you at the time?

    I also remember it being described as a "freak occurence" and something unlikely to happen again.

    The very fact that it's becoming commonplace just emphasises the current lack of depth in the heavyweight division.

    And if Wlad decided to stand in front of a 40 odd year old Foreman, sticking his chin out and saying "hit me here please", as Moorer virtually did, then yes, I could see it happening to Wlad.

    The common thing not mentioned is that Moorer was boxing circles around George until he stood there like a dickhead. But don't let actual fights and facts get in the way of a boxrec record.


    Well, Wlad won the IBF that was a ****ing joke until he won it. Byrd getting gift after gift after gift. One against the "joke" Golota who you deride later on.


    Did you ever think those guys are undefeated because they've never fought anybody half decent? Probably why their development is so poor.



    Golota is far from great, yes. But look how he did in his shots at the WBA and IBF against Byrd and Ruiz. Jobbed in both (or on the end of two close decisions however you want to look at it). Look how he did v Lewis.


    Can you see Brock, Austin or Thomson putting up the same performance against Tyson at that point in time as Ruddock did?

    Would they ****. They would have rolled over and played dead like they did against Wlad.

    STop looking at boxrec and resumes, and have a look at actual fights.

    If you want to play the 'David Jaco' card, I'll see that and raise you a "Ross Purrity". How do you like that?


    No he didn't, you're right.
    But he'd also noticeably slipped by the age of about 35, and steadily declined after that.

    Regardless of his own bull**** quotes, watch the fights. The fight against Rahman was one of those 'last great efforts' that great fighters can have.

    The fight against Tyson was a cakewalk, even for a Lewis that didn't look at his best, and he was awful in a sloppy brawl against Vitlay. (but still tough enough to win).
     
  9. WiDDoW_MaKeR

    WiDDoW_MaKeR ESB Hall of Fame Member Full Member

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    Hate Squad protocol.
     
  10. Farmboxer

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    KlitschkoooooOOOooOooOOooOOOOOO!!!!!!!
     
  11. thesandman

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    Why are you quoting yourself?

    Wrong alias?


    I hope that's not directed at me. I haven't once said Wlad is a bad fighter. Just that his opponents have been poor.

    That may or may not be his fault, I'm not sure, but since facing Sam Peter he's faced nobody with half a chance against him.
     
  12. WiDDoW_MaKeR

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    Uh oh... it looks like things are falling into place. The Hate Squad will be working double time to reverse all of the Haye hype that they have been building.
     
  13. RUSKULL

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    :nono Farmboxer is the man, you are merely a pretender.
     
  14. twopiece

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    I would be happy if Wlad is the one to fight David Haye. And if he beats Haye impressively, I will most definitely give him his due credit.
     
  15. Rico Spadafora

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    :lol:

    yes we do. Peter was made to look like the no skilled quitter that he is.

    Peter is finished. He will be fatter than ever in his next fight that is if he even fights again, rumors are he does not want to.....