What would be the odds on Frazier unifying the present day belt's?

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  1. Fergy

    Fergy Walking Dead Full Member

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    If a unification tournament was set for the 4 mainheavyweight belt's ,and Joe Frazier was included ,could he be the undisputed champ ?
    So a similar scenario as Tyson in the late 80 s.
    Frazier in against Parker ,then facing the winner of AJ v Wilder ?
    What's Joe's chances last man standing ?
     
  2. lufcrazy

    lufcrazy requiescat in pace Full Member

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    Very little.
     
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  3. Contro

    Contro Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Not THAT bad.Joshua is no Lewis. I struggle to see wilder landing clean on Frazier, frazier would launch hooks into that frail looking body and chin of his and turn those chicken legs into jello.

    Parker has some decent speed and chin, but not like Frazier hasnt seen that before. And tbh Parker is an underachiever and his performances have been quite mediocre compared to the physical talent i first thoughtbhe might have.

    Joshua is big and strong but also has terrible coordination compared to todays cruiserweights and especially top heavyweights in the Pre Lewis era. Dont see him having the timing and speed to catch Frazier. Fraziers slow feet might be his limiting factor, but if he can stay in there and stay competitive for the first 6-8 rounds then Joshua could gas and Frazier would maul him, size difference or not.
     
  4. Fergy

    Fergy Walking Dead Full Member

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    That's plausible, it all boils down to Frazier handling the lot bigger men today. He's not walking through em like Jimmy Ellis but he does have that great stamina , Will to win and that deadly left hook .He and Joshua would IMO combine to have a classic bout .Frazier would be hit hard and often ,but if Joe's still there by the middle rounds then Joshua would need everything to win.
     
  5. Contro

    Contro Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Yeah theyre bigger but their skills and coordination are terrible. Compared to guys like Lewis, Prime Tucker, prime Bowe, prime Golota or peak Douglas for example. Those guys were skilled big men who you could imagine being successful even if they were sized down to 160lb because they were just as skilled as middleweights Pound 4 pound. Guys like that would really trouble frazier because they were just as skilled but bigger.
    But Guys like Joshua or Wilder look terribly uncoordinated and crude in comparison and they really only have size going for them.
     
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  6. Fergy

    Fergy Walking Dead Full Member

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    One thing I will say about Frazier, if you had any weakness , too slow or poor defence , he would find it out and work on it. So if AJ or Wilder , or any crude big men , let Joe in , he would make em pay .
     
  7. GOAT Primo Carnera

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    He wouldn´t. I don´t see him going 3-0 vs Parker, Wilder and Joshua.

    He would fight in the Cruisers anyway.
     
  8. Combatesdeboxeo_

    Combatesdeboxeo_ Well-Known Member banned Full Member

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    The undisputed champ. You need much more than being big to beat an all time great like frazier
     
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  9. Man_Machine

    Man_Machine Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    He probably would.
    And he wouldn't be fighting at Cruiserweight, either.
     
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  11. Combatesdeboxeo_

    Combatesdeboxeo_ Well-Known Member banned Full Member

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    Frazier was a hw and a hw is a hw period.he is not fighting at cruiser he did not face cruisers he fought big guys too ,mathis weighed around 245 pounds,don smith close to 240,turnbow 231,bugner 221
     
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  12. Fergy

    Fergy Walking Dead Full Member

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    And he handed the greatest heavy weigh his first loss, so I think we can safely say he's a heavyweight ..
     
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  13. Fergy

    Fergy Walking Dead Full Member

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    I'd love to see you at the bookies ,with odds like that !
     
  14. McGrain

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    Almost nil. It's not just the size thing, his short-lived prime, the possibility of his fighting at CW for an extended period, it's also about the ridiculous politics involved in getting such a thing done. You need the right combination of management, lack of greed and other belt-holders to have the same (And an idea that they can win). Belts can be milked. So lots of fighters just milk them.
     
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  15. Fergy

    Fergy Walking Dead Full Member

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    It's politics and the numerous belt's that's screwed the sport up .Ideal world ,all belt holders face off and we get s undisputed champ. We had it with Tyson in the late 80s and then Lewis for a short time,but i ll be surprised if we get close to that again.