What would be the odds on Frazier unifying the present day belt's?

It could only be true if Frazier had consistently made the 200lbs weight limit, which he didn't.

What a Boxer comes in at on fight night has no bearing on whether or not Frazier would be fighting at Cruiserweight, today.

Not every Boxer seeks to wring out every last drop of H20 from their bodies to make weight for Day-Before-Weigh-Ins, just so they can puff up on fight night.

 

Yes because Frazier's resume clearly >>>>>>>>>>> Foreman's resume going into their fight. Correct me if I'm wrong, but Foreman going into 1973 hadn't beaten any top 10 ranked fighter while Frazier on the other hand had guys like Ali, Bonavena, a younger version of Chuvalo, Buster Mathis and Jerry Quarry on his list of victims.

But this fight was a prime example of how resume doesn't always determine what happens on fight night H2H because Frazier's resume was worth whatever the price of tea in China was when he was in the ring with Foreman on January 22, 1973.

 

AJ and Wilder would be very fun fights but I think Frazier outworks them and stops them in the later rounds.

Parker doesn't stand a chance.

 

I tend to think that guys, of any era, who were or are at the top of their divisions would be at or near the top in other eras. What I'm getting at is guys who are solid champs in this era would be top contenders and stand out above everyone else or even be solid champs in other eras. If that makes sense.

 

Do you really think Frazier would have needed to wring out every last drop of H20 from his body to make 200 though? I think it probably would have been pretty easy for him (at least for the first half of his career).

How many times over the past 30 years have prospects with Frazier's dimensions began their careers at heavyweight? Seems extremely likely that Frazier starts off as a cruiserweight, and he possibly stays there for a long time.

 

Here we got a complete idiot who think that taller and more reach is =bigger. . so hearns was bigger than Frazier and tyson right? Gb to the bed

 

It seems to me that these types of fantasy match-up threads all too often lead to fantasy managerial and training decisions being made, based further on the assumed idea that the Boxer from the past, competes under today's conditions; the current framework and rules of the sport.

We then have to go on to play a guessing game, as to whether or not the Boxer (particularly a given heavyweight) from the past was actually achieving his ideal fighting weight, back in the day. We could also really complicate matters and give our fighter from yesteryear access to today's modern sports science, understanding of nutrition and body composition, to really throw infinite speculation into the mix... ... ...

... ... ...Who was the fantasy match-up between again?

 

Wilder is no George Foreman. Foreman may have been crude but he had some solid fundamentals that Wilder doesn't he also was sturdier with a more thick torso and legs to the chicken legged Wilder.
Obviously there is no way of ever knowing but I like Frazier's chances. Wilder looked confused and hesitant against sloppy cruiser Szpilka, imagine what Joe's bob and weave would do to him.

 

I think I do. I feel like Wilder and Joshua for sure would be above everyone else except for Ali in say the 70s if they started their careers in the mid-late 60s. I honestly am not sure how they'd do against Foreman and Frazier. Never saw Foreman take on guys that had serious weight advantages so it'd be interesting to see a 6'3 220 lb Foreman against a 6'4-6'5 Joshua and 6'7 Wilder. I'm not one of those "size is the end all be all" type of guys but like I've always said a large weight advantage can be harder for some fighters than others. It depends on styles. Frazier had a style to punish big guys whereas Foreman was designed to punish smaller foes. Although I think his extremely physical and brawling style would be a hard mountain to climb for Joshua and Wilder. A Joshua fight would be a slugfest for sure. That's just how Joshua fights. He can't box. So the question becomes can Joshua out slug prime Foreman? Doubtful.

Anyway, that's a lot of stuff in there. Don't know how much of it makes sense, just my thoughts right from the brain.

 

This is true, but my point was that you could make those arguments for others as well and still turn out to be wrong.

Imagine this statement before Ali/Liston 1 in 1964 "Clay was nearly poleaxed by Henry Cooper's left hook. He was also dropped by Sonny Banks with a left hook. Imagine what Sonny Liston's left hook is going to do to him tomorrow night??"

or

"Clay was seeing stars from Cooper's left hook while Sonny Liston demolished Patterson twice in a total of 2 rounds. Clay wouldn't have gotten past Patterson's left hook, let alone Listons".

In both cases, those statements would've been the most logical statements to make and not at all far fetched. The only problem is that they would be wrong.

 

I couldn’t say. Maybe he’d try it. Maybe not. Maybe he’d not fare too well, having to train that bit more for longer, in order to burn the extra weight off. Maybe he already trained to his maximum burn and optimum weight, coming in at over 200lbs. Maybe he’d choose to bulk up a bit; make use of modern nutrition and supplements.

There’s a whole lot of ‘maybes’.

A handful that I can think of but, that’s neither here nor there. What we actually know is that Frazier competed as a heavyweight and, other than in a few of his early bouts, weighed in at over 200lbs - above the today’s cruiserweight limit.

 

Well yes it goes back to your earlier post hind sight is always 20/20. The thread asks do I think Frazier could unify. I explained why, should I just say yes and leave it be. Frazier to me on film looks better than Parker and much better than Wilder. Joshua I think would pose problems. But it's just my opinion and it's all hypothetical anyway.