What would be the odds on Frazier unifying the present day belt's?

Cheers, JC. I guess we'll have to agree to disagree re: Frazier. I think you're overselling both his offensive repertoire and defensive capabilities. He could be hard to jab cleanly because of his bobbing and weaving, but was often pretty wide open for hooks, uppercuts, and counters. I thought Ali tagged Frazier with a far greater number of flush, hard, fully-leveraged punches about the face and head in FOTC than he landed on Foreman in the Jungle (not that Foreman was any exemplar of defensive prowess himself). There were several times where the commentators rightly marveled at the amount of punishment Frazier was absorbing, as Ali battered him with sharp combinations. And I can't think of any other great fighter who was as reliant on a single punch as Frazier was on his left hook.

I find your criticisms of the top current heavyweights overstated and unfair. I know it's a popular meme in these parts but Wilder most certainly does not have the worst technique you've ever seen, and his balance issues are exaggerated too. Since you find Frazier's amateur pedigree important, it's also worth noting that some of the modern fighters you just disparaged also have extensive and impressive amateur pedigrees. And whatever you think of Jarrell Miller's body, he's an extremely strong guy who could be a tough test for a 205-lb pressure fighter. Can't help but feel that today's top heavyweights get dismissed--and past heavyweights overrated--in part because posters have aesthetic and stylistic preferences for smaller heavyweights with more defined muscles and higher work rates. To each his own, but there's a reason why almost all of the top big men today are 6'4+/230lb+, while 6'3/215lb men hide out and bide their time at cruiserweight.

 

Frazier is a natural 205-210 lb heavy at his prime.
His top opponents today would dwarf him.

 

You guys are all right. This Frazier guy must've sucked! Imagine him facing the greatest of all time, Muhammad Ali!

 

Hi guys, I did make the proviso that Frazier had access to all the latest " sports science " and was the hard training fighter that he was pre Ali 1. If that was the case then I imagine Frazier would have weighed more in the 220ish range instead of 205. At that weight I believe he would have the extra strength and punching power to at least compete with most of these modern guys. Holyfield did.

Ali had trouble hitting the FRESH version of Frazier with his lead left jab, let alone his lead right hand. He hit Foreman at will with the lead right. What Ali did was throw combinations at Frazier and some of the punches would land. Doing that gave Joe more of a chance to land his hook though so it was a double edged sword so to speak.

You also forget the fact that most of the modern contenders have a shortage of experience as far as being in hard, competitive, professional boxing matches against other fighters of similar ability ie other contenders compared to a guy like Frazier.

You cannot beat actual experience in my opinion as long as you can compete physically. Frazier definitely had a lot more experience at fighting other contenders say pre the Ali fight compared to the current heavyweight champions and contenders.

Josh is a lot like Foreman to me in that he is such a physical prodigy that despite having a comparatively short amateur career he was able to win an Olympic gold medal. I still reckon he is a flawed fighter though, much as the young Foreman was.

If you can name another heavyweight "champion" who has the technical deficiencies, balance problems and record of actually not having fought one actual, genuine good fighter as Wilder then I am all ears

Cheers Kev, Longhorn, a pleasure.

 

Frazier could beat Anthony, it could go either way both have good chins and are technical, the only reason Anthony would beat Frazier though would be due to his size, strength and he has a very good uppercut which is the punch Frazier is most susceptible to. But Frazier was loads quicker and had more power.

Haven't seen Parker fight yet to be honest

Ortiz if you made sure he wasn' roiding would be a very close fight. Probably look similar to Frazier vs buster mathis except I think Ortiz is a good deal better than mathis

Wilder and Shannon have way too much power for Frazier.

But Frazier would tear up the tier behind those guys where stiverene and areola are easy, Frazier is my all time favorite fighter but I'll be fair.

 

Wait a second... What? You are not only saying that a bum like shannon briggs would have Too much power for Frazier plus you are talking about an ancient briggs...

 

All coming from someone who says Frazier's his number 1 favorite fighter. Rather disingenuous.

 

You claim Frazier's your favorite fighter but have him lose to an ancient bum. GTFOH

 

This remember me to the troll bummydavis on every post he landed **** on foreman he started the post saying... "I love foreman he was one of my favourite fighter back in the 70s..."but.... After this bull**** he did start talking **** about him

 

I think there's no way that old man Briggs beats a prime, hungry, uncracked Frazier.

I'd give him an outside chance at running the field. It's certainly not a sure thing, and if you throw politics and negotiations into the mix, it becomes next to impossible.

 

Joe Frazier lifting weights ... 1973

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Briggs vs Patterson is a better match up. I honestly don't think Young Briggs beats old '76 Frazier.

 

"In his book, Joe Frazier admitted never training with weights during his boxing career so I don't think this result is too surprising. But as far as functional strength went - the man was a bull. He had Chuvalo reeling away from him and regularly used to bully Norton in sparring - both men who would easily boss Frazier in a weightlifting contest. I bet Bruno could press more than Tyson too... Doesn't mean **** inside the ring."a comment

 

I don't know....I've seen guys bench press 400+ pounds. I'm sure a top tier, modern day 220ish pound heavyweight like Mike Tyson could've done 400 pounds or very close to it.

 

Wow great proof!!! Even the roaches have watched this video It has a great relevance with a boxing fight