What would it take to dethrone your favorite boxer?

the only one who can beat Tyson fury is obesity

 

I like Ali but he's not unbeatable in his prime. Like Cooper almost finished him off. An AJ, Wlad, Vitali and LL more than likely beats prime Ali.

 

The guys just aren't that good. Ali beat everyone that ever beat him aside from Holmes and he was almost 10 years past prime then. Ali took Foreman's hardest hits, Frazier's best hits for 3 fights, he cleaned out the 70s division. Ali proved he was the best by frequently beating the best in his division. It didn't take 4 years to coordinate fights between the top 5 in the division. That was just a regular year.

Today you don't see that ****. Who has Fury fought? Klitschko. Who has Joshua fought? Klitschko. Who has Wilder fought? Lol nobody.

Forget about how much they weighed. Once you're that heavy, 20 lbs becomes totally negligible. Things like speed become way more of a game changer.

 

I like this crop of heavies we got now and I want them to be great but not fighting each other isn't going to make them an atg. One great fight doesn't mean ****.

 

Best reply ever on this situation. People take the same standards from the lower divisions and try to apply it to Heavyweight and it's wrong. They sound like Floyd Mayweather with that stupid ****.

 

Nobody is unbeatable in their prime.

 

Nah, Fury's a bum. A big bum. A lucky bum, but still a bum. You funny doe.

 

I think his speed would **** them up. He'd just run around pot shotting them. Probably wouldn't knock them out unless he did something real unorthodox like he did against Foreman. The reason why he's a live horse in this race is because in his own time he's beaten super heavies. George Foreman, Chuck Wepner, Joe Bugner, Richard Dunn, Ernie Terrell. It's hard to doubt a guy when he's already done the thing you doubt he can do five times. That's why you can't ever count Joe Louis, Mike Tyson, or Evander Holyfield out in these sorts of match ups. They each beat several guys the size of the guys we are talking about. Sometimes they whipped their asses bad! Like Mike Tyson ran through nine superheavies and he's only five ten.

I see it sort of like a trade off. You have to be at least 6'2" to have the kind of power that can knock anyone out, because God just doesn't make chins better than a certain point. Call it a design flaw. Now, the guys who are bigger have more power but it's trade off with speed. A smaller guy can still be competitive with a big guy if he's fast and can take a punch. Joe Louis wasn't exactly fast, but his technique was just so much better than the guys he fought. It's so weird. Sometimes you see these guys who have ridiculous height and reach getting out jabbed by a puny guy who's just levels above them skillwise. Larry Holmes is another one like that. He jabbed the **** out of Gerry Cooney. I think of 6'2" sort of like that sign at the fair "You must be this tall to take this ride."

We've seen that past guys could beat super heavies, but on the other side of the equation we've also seen the superheavies people hold up as invincible beaten by guys smaller and less skilled than the past champs we're talking about. Wlad has always had a problem with his chin and if Ross Purrity or Lamon Brewster could knock him out what makes you think Ali and Joe Louis couldn't? Hasim Rahman is no bigger than Ali or Joe Louis and he sparked Lennox Lewis. Riddick Bowe lost a fight to Evander Holyfield. Every great fighter has a chink in their armor, some weakness that leads to a loss against an inferior fighter. Once you see that nobody is invincible, and **** just happens sometimes, hope springs eternal.

 

I don't know why some people get upset when they hear people pick some of the exceptionally talented past HWs over a talented SHW. If you think there's no way to overcome size difference, fine. But try to respect the opinions' of those who believe otherwise instead of accusing them with being agenda driven or being fanboys in a passive agressive manner.

 

What same thing? Your opening post seemed like another passive-agressive jab at those who rate past greats high H2H starting with Ali. If It wasn't, then my apoligies.

Power might have fared better against size historically at HW, but I think part of the reason you barely see any 6'2/6'3 200+ fighters with exceptional movement. Personally, I always take fluidity, skillset, ring IQ over power and strength in hard-to-pick match ups. It's normal for those who feel the same way about me to be high on Ali and Holmes in H2H discussions(another part is Ali having dealt with and adjusted to every style there was but that's another topic).

I'm not being touchy about you criticising Ali. I'm being touchy about you showing no respect to the opinions of those who rate him high H2H. Most of your posts/threads seem like passive-agressive criticsm towards his supporters, accusing them with being biased and being blinded by Ali's popularity outside of the ring.

For the record, I also think prime Larry Holmes would beat any active HW out there today. So If you were making the same comments about his supporters instead of Ali's, you'd be getting the same responds from me.

Lastly, I don't have any H2H favs, I don't think "H2H GOAT" exists either. Styles make fights, I might pick Ali over the current hot commodity AJ but I think prime vs prime Tyson gets the edge over him, just an example.

 

Not a favorite of mine. But, It will take a Thomas Hearns to beat Mayweather. Hearns is the one fighter in history in my opinion will undoubtedly either Starched Floyd Mayweather out cold or thoroughly outboxed him. Stylistically there are very few fighters in history that would have stood up to the Hitman in his prime.

 

No one Ive ever seen beats a prime Ali. Ask Lennox Lewis this same question & he'll tell you the same thing
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