What would it take to make Wlad have a fight ?

Discussion in 'World Boxing Forum' started by Govanmauler, Jul 8, 2011.


  1. Beouche

    Beouche Juan Manuel Marquez Full Member

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    The guy is one of the most boring, cowardliest HW i can ever remember. He's utterly petrified of getting hit. Watching such a massive giant behave like such a complete coward is embarrassing
     
  2. Govanmauler

    Govanmauler Boxing Addict Full Member

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    thats going too far I think , hes not a coward anyone makes their money boxing is no coward.

    I just want to see an exciting fight out of him for once and yeah one would expect a physical specimen like to him to dominate the ring as well as the score cards occasionally
     
  3. Shotgun

    Shotgun Well-Known Member Full Member

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    WALD is first and foremost a technical boxer. He works behind his jab and opens up with his left hook and overhand right if openings present themselves. If someone runs like a HAEY did for 12 rounds he'll pursue and be the "aggressor" but he's not going to go wild and go for the KO. Funny thing is that boxers at lower weight classes are called "smart" and are "practicing the sweet science" for fighting this way but WALD is "scared."

    Clearly, the guy does not have a great chin. But he has 49 KOs in 56 wins, so obviously he comes forward to a degree. The only fights I can recall him winning without scoring a KO have been like last Saturday, when his opponent literally ran away relentlessly and was clearly trying to bait him into getting sloppy and landing one or two big punches. WALD is not stupid enough to get caught in that game. I think his chin is better than he realizes, but he freezes up when he gets tagged, so he's willing to eek out a decision. He should've KO'd HAEY after 5-6 rounds but was content to win a decision
     
  4. Govanmauler

    Govanmauler Boxing Addict Full Member

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    I said Wlad looks like hes fighting scared I agree he's not ( see my post above ) WHY is he content to win a decision is my point. Haye was there to be taken and if he didnt hate Haye enough to go for it my question is

    Is there a series of events or a fighter out there that would convince him to have a fight that people would enjoy.

    As to the sweet science argument , Wlad to me doesnt look sweet when avoiding punches. When Hops leathered pascal it was all about subtle movements , angles , pretty fighting.

    Wlad does avoid punhces but he looks to be in terminal panic while doing so ( im not saying he feels panic but that how he looks ) thats not the sweet science thats being too tall to hit.
     
  5. pahapoisu

    pahapoisu Superman! Full Member

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    For Wlad its basic instinct not to trade unless he really needs it.
     
  6. Govanmauler

    Govanmauler Boxing Addict Full Member

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    and I say that he then can't be surprised if a large percentage of boxing fans find him a turn off. He can't be surprised that people call him boring. He can't be surprised if people question his legacy or how good he really is. He can't be surprised that the american networks aren't cutting throats to get his fights. he can't be suprised that people rank him below other dominant champs.

    There is a penalty to being so rigid in his approach. I'll say it again sport is supposed to be entertainment.
     
  7. BigBone

    BigBone Boxing Addict Full Member

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    What is it with you UK fans acting like absolute tools following a horrific showing of your own? Wlad is a BOXER, open up on him and he'll beat the **** out of you think Chagaev, shell up like the pathetic fool Ibragimov and Haye and he'll pull a sweet science on you.

    What part of BOXER you people don't understand? It's not a puzzle to solve, 'boxer' means boxer. Wlad will have a fight when someone finds a way to take away the boxing so he'll have to dig deep, and that was supposed to be Haye according to you. So what is it with you UK people that after your boy failed, you open up a million Klitschko-critique threads?

    We already knew Wlad's quality coming into this fight, now we found out Haye's.
     
  8. aka TORA

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    hard to say he is very cautious by nature, i think you have gotta find a way inside and drag him out of the comfort zone, i cant see him ever going smokin joe on somebody
     
  9. Shotgun

    Shotgun Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Did you really bring up Hopkins? He has had more wins where he looked like garbage than just about any "major" fighter I can think of. And he looked even worse in his losses to Calzaghe and Taylor
     
  10. Govanmauler

    Govanmauler Boxing Addict Full Member

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    read the ****ing thread.

    The HW champ is supposed to be the baddest mad on the planet but even when Wlad has every advantage going he still refuses to sit down on his shots and finish someone ( Knock them out , not gradually over geological time grind them down)

    oh and beat the **** out of chagaev ? did he even throw a hook or uppercut that entire fight ? Despite being bigger , stronger and faster than Chagaev.


    I picked Wlad to win this (In the gun to your head thread)

    I said I respect Wlads will to win

    I said Haye was more to blame than Wlad for the **** fight

    So do you consider my question ? no its just the usual qausi-nationalist bull**** for which the site is rightly famed
     
  11. Govanmauler

    Govanmauler Boxing Addict Full Member

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    I agree , No I cited a particular hopkins fight as an example of the sweet science.
     
  12. BigBone

    BigBone Boxing Addict Full Member

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    I don't post in threads I don't read, but did u read my post? Apparently not because I answered your question.

    I said Wlad is a BOXER, he'll be in a fight when someone succeeds taking the fight to him, if not he'll box his way through with the excitement depending on YOU, if you present a defensive fight he'll school you, if you open up you'll get brutally beaten down and stopped. Technicians don't go all in, 'baddest man on the planet' is nothing but a label, once in the ring there are STYLES and Wlad's style is BOXER. Yes he could've opened up more on Chambers but no, it would've been foolish to open up on Haye who was waiting for that (not doing much else), so he went on schooling his ass.

    This is sweet science, and Wlad is pretty awesome at it.
     
  13. Govanmauler

    Govanmauler Boxing Addict Full Member

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    If you read the thread what was all that " oh you UK fans! " bull**** then ?

    So by your admission he could have opened up on Chamber but chse not too. Why ?

    Im not saying he should have gone for it against Haye ( it probably would have been an error ) but Chambers wasnt going to hurt him so why not socre a crowd pleasing KO ? Why choose always to be conservative.

    Do you then accpet that he cant complain that people find him dull or that HBO arent particulartly interested in him ( a dominant , white HW champ ! ) He chooses , even when he could do otherwise not to be crowd pleasing.
     
  14. BigBone

    BigBone Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Maybe Wlad CAN'T create openings like aggressive fighters do because he's a boxer? He works off the jab and if opportunity and opening comes, he throws the left hook and right hands as well, brutal KO, search youtube for them. If the opponent doesn't bring the intensity, it's a clear, controlled fight. I'm not particularly excited about his technical style either, but I move on and live with it, where you should accept the lack of intensity of the opponents part let is be fast and explosive Haye isn't Wlad's fault. I prefer Vitali over Wlad anyways, but that's a completely different style.
     
  15. Hitman-Fan

    Hitman-Fan Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Nothing at all

    What you have to realise is that boxing is a business of hitting and not being hit

    Its not the WWE, it's not for entertainment. The objective of the game is to land punches against your opponent and not get any yourself

    With his height and reach adavantage, why should Wlad risk being reckless?

    Stay behind his jab and use his height and reach to bore viewers to sleep while he picks up the win.

    Real shame for boxing fans who want exciting fights however