What would Mosley's record be if he fought PBF's level of comp? Where would he rank?

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  1. sweet_scientist

    sweet_scientist Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    I take it it's a consensus choice that Mayweather is the greater fighter p4p between the two.

    But let's imagine Shane had to fight Mayweather's level of competition throughout his career. How would he fare?

    Would he have a loss? Would he now be considered as good as Floyd is?

    It's quite obvious who has taken the path of least resistance between the two. Does that account for the gap in regard between the two?
     
  2. Russell

    Russell Loyal Member Full Member

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    Well, you can easily argue that Mosley beat Hoya cleaner, in Hoya's prime none the less, then Floyd managed to a Oscar who was slightly afterwords slaughtered. That's just to begin with.

    Mosley also smashed Genaro Hernandez's nose in sparring, a damned good version of Genaro as well as opposed to the one Floyd fought. That was actually what managed came back to haunt Genaro against De La Hoya as well. So it's hard to argue that Mosley wouldn't steamroll through Genaro.

    Hatton holds no advantages over Mosley. Not the strength to bully, not better/ more effective, not better bodywork, or power or a size advantage.

    Judah gets outhustled down the stretch as he usually does against elite competition.

    Baldomir is unfathomably limited and makes Margarito look multi-faceted.

    I really do think Mosley could go 39-0 against Floyd's comp now that I think about it.
     
  3. Maxmomer

    Maxmomer Boxing Addict Full Member

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    I think Mosley would beat everyone Floyd did, and in most cases, in more impressive and exciting fashion.
     
  4. Thread Stealer

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    I don't see Mosley losing to the guys Mayweather fought.

    But then again, I don't see Mosley being able to make 130 either.
     
  5. sweet_scientist

    sweet_scientist Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    To make the thought experiment a little more relevant (given their weight differentials) let's say he had to take on a natural (though past prime) 135 pound Genaro Hernandez, a natural 135 pound Diego Corrales, a natural 140 pound Jose Luis Castillo, and a natural 147 Zab Judah and Ricky Hatton with the fights occurring at 154 (a weight class both had proved to be less than at their best), and say a natural (though past prime) 140 pound DLH with the fight occuring at 160.

    I still see Mosley undfeated - and I see him knocking them all out most likely.
     
  6. PowerPuncher

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    Well firstly Mosley is allot bigger than Mayweather, Shane weighed 160lb for some lightweight fights. Lets imagine a Corrales and Castillo that outweighed Mosley by 14lbs, a Delahoya who outweighed him by around 14lbs, at least 2weight classes above his best weight (so maybe a 160lb version of Delahoya where Delahoya weighs 170 and Mosley weighs 156)

    Mosley still maybe takes the lot, however Mayweather would have beaten Mosley, who turned him down twice. If they squared off and he wouldn't have lost to Forrest, and I'd give him a good shot against Winky.
     
  7. 196osh

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    Really? I would give Mayweather Jr next to no chance against Winky at 154.
     
  8. Unforgiven

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    If Mosley is being rated BENEATH Mayweather because he fought a HIGHER level of opponent then the method of rating is total bull****.

    I hear it all the time on this site "X was a bit inconsistent", "Y had a short reign", "Z lost too many fights", but in many cases on further inspection we all know those were the guys who fought a high level opposition.
     
  9. PowerPuncher

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    Why FMJ has much more speed, better skill, better defense and Winky is somewhat predicatable. Winky despite being bigger was hardly a big puncher at 154. The only advantage Winky has is around 4inches in height and a few inches in reach. But Quartey who's a similar size to FMJ gave Winky all kinds of problems
     
  10. sweet_scientist

    sweet_scientist Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Mayweather hasn't shown me anything at either lightweight or welterweight to suggest that he beats Mosley or Forrest. Given the DLH performance I can't see how he'd have a chance in hell against Winky.
     
  11. sweet_scientist

    sweet_scientist Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Your whole paragraph is hilarious but that last line was definitely the punch line.
     
  12. PowerPuncher

    PowerPuncher Loyal Member Full Member

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    Nah the punch line is your nose, Quartey displayed better skills landed his work cleaner and lost on size/workrate
     
  13. sweet_scientist

    sweet_scientist Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    What is extra specially hilarious is that you spend a previous post telling us how huge Floyd's opponents like Castillo and Corrales are compared to him and then you tell us Floyd was a similar size to Ike Quartey. That my friend, is comedic GOLD :good
     
  14. PowerPuncher

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    Mayweather having skills a league above Mosley and Forrest would be a good indication, Mosley wouldn't know defense if it hit him in the mouth and Forrest wouldn't know lateral movement if Mayorga was shouting 'move to your right' as he threw the left hook.

    Delahoya didnt even land any clean shots in the whole fight, plus Winky isn't as aggressive or fast as Hoya
     
  15. PowerPuncher

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    Quartey - 5-7, 71inch reach
    Mayweather - 5-8, 72inch reach :deal

    And yes FMJ was outweighed heavily but obviously he got bigger and stronger himself as sometimes fighters do as they mature