What would Stiverne have to do for you to accept him as a legitmate champ

The division doesn't have depth. Wlad is the only great fighter, and everyone else ranges from decent to terrible.

And the view that the Klits don't match up to the past has nothing to do with their race or nationality. Plenty of white EE fighters are loved on here, like GGG and Kovalev.

The Klits aren't liked because they're boring as sin, and because of their bat**** fanboys. I have poked a hole in this idea several times before.

 

I'll try again.

Diversity =/= depth.

 

Not necessarily. What you are saying is a logical fallacy. Do you know what that means?

You are making relational assumptions that are invalid.

 

I don't know why people, namely Klitschko fanboys, keep claiming that their heroes aren't liked because of racism or xenophobia, when that claim is easily proven wrong by the fact that people like Kovalev and GGG, who are EE.

 

Stieverne holds the WBC heavyweight belt, a world title.

Quigg holds the WBA super bantamweight belt, while Rigo holds the WBA Super Super bantamweight belt .

Stieverne holds an actual world title, a championship belt, so I consider him a champ. Even if he's a really really weak champ

His title 'run' ain't great, but then whos is at heavyweight, the division sucks.

 

Not a 'coincidence' in any sense of the word other than it happened to work out that way. There are many obvious factors as to why the quality of the division is so poor currently, and they have nothing to do with it being more internationally diverse but that has at the same time done nothing to halt the decrease in quality. You can ignore those factors if you want to.

There may well have not been American dominance were the sport more internationally diverse in bygone days. I'm not saying it would have been the same. I'm saying right now, even with being more internationally diverse, the division is the worst it has ever been in terms of its talent pool. There are 1,070 currently registered active professional male heavyweights as of today - over a thousand, from whom you can select maybe 3-4 that would compete as ranked contenders or better in other eras. (all four of them hailing from what used to be eastern bloc countries, so this actually serves the point you're so desperate to make whether you want to realize it or not).

The other 1,066 (of whom a third are from the US) are just terrible.

 

That's exactly my point when I mentioned Vitali vs Sanders as an example.