What would Tyson Fury have to do for you to consider him an ATG?

Too late to do now.

He lost to the "middleweight sausage" twice. That was his last chance.

Even in a different dimension where he beats Usyk, Joshua, Kabayel, Parker in a row, that really doesn't mean much because he did it when this era of heavies are being 'phased out'. The argument for Usyk Joshua old and way past best will be there, arguments for Kabayel being unproven and beating Parker really doesn't mean too much when looking at a resume for ATG status.

H2H wilder 2 Fury, I would personally give him ATG status, possibly top 5 all time (just my opinion)

For a career? That ship has long sailed. Unless he can stick around a good five more years to beat proven up and coming contenders, fights twice a year for those 5 and win 8/9 of those 10 fights, ATG status isn't in the books for him.

 

Beat Anthony Joshua, and beat Usyk ~

 

I think Fury is up there as a great already.
He won British, Commonwealth, European, WBA, WBO, IBF, WBC HW titles

 

Wallin did become Ring rated and was at i think #10 for a while before his loss to Joshua

 

He ought to be fairly highly rated but he's never going to be an ATG right now. I think that on his best night he has the stones in him to beat anybody. But he let himself down with lax training habits and a bunch of pointless rematches imho.

 

Somehow get usyk in the ring and beat him
He has too many soft touches on his record to be an atg

I said as a fan it was do or die vs Usyk. He needed to beat him

Beating Joshua a few years ago would have also strongly helped his case. Sadly now it would do nothing but make him richer and have some bragging rights

Fury fought 2 great opponents in his career and he is 1-2 and the guy he beat was past his prime. It was still a huge win

He based too much on his rivalry with Wilder, which has aged like milk. The guy did some great things like coming back from the brink, but I'm not sure he did enough

 

After getting dropped an almost beaten by a mma fighter having his first boxing match means he can never be considered a atg . Best he can hope for is maybe top 5 all time best brit heavyweight

 

I think it's quite obvious people have set different standards for Fury than so many 'ATG' HW's. Apparently Fury has to beat everyone to get there, meaning basically he had to beat Usyk.

It's quite telling that when people bring up the 'great wins' of 'ATG's' these lists are often very thin and people inflate the opponents. Tyson is a perfect example.

They then ignore some utterly terrible losses. Lewis is a perfect example.

Fury has multiple wins over other long-standing champions, got all the belts, has no terrible losses.

Opponent agendas are very obvious with Fury, and easily seen with Wlad, Chisora and Wilder.
Wlad was considered different whether it was Fury or AJ.
Chisora was hammered as an opponent for Fury for years. But the old version was apparently a good win for Usyk and also Parker.
Wilder the same. The old shot version was a good win for Parker and made him a top fighter.
Even Kebabyal. Few years ago he was a bad opponent for Fury. Now he is a great fighter who has simply not been given chances all these years. In fact, maybe he beats Usyk!

Fury has played the victim in the past and it annoys people. But the fact is, there has been various agendas against him from the beginning.

Even if Fury had beaten Usyk twice, Usyk would have been an old cruiser who never really proved himself at HW.

 

Lengthy reign against the best available competition, which he's too old to do now even if he was willing, or defeat a prime or near prime ATG. And I don't mean stinking the place out verses an old Klitscho either.

 

Tbf that is very high standing.
British HWs arguably have it far tougher just to get out of the British scene in order to progress.
I have seen many fighters (across various divisions), I think lose their best by fighting at tge tough British level for so long

To be a top 5 British HW is an amazing achievement

 

I think this happens for alot of fighters to be honest

 

Way too late lol…He had two chances against Usyk and failed the test. That’s all she wrote…

 

It's too late now.

He had opportunities, but he didn't take them - in some cases deliberately.

He could've rematched Wlad and proved it wasn't just a fluke, albeit a very ugly fluke.

He could've stayed off the dope and the coke.

He could've fought through without stopping for a chunk of his prime.

He could've fought Joshua when it mattered.

He could've fought Dubois and Parker who will dominate the next 3-5 years (and if he'd won it would've aged great).


Good fighter, no question, but he never cared about making himself a great - I don't see why we should make excuses for coulda/woulda scenarios that didn't happen precisely because he's a flawed man.

 

As it stands, I would currently probably have him periphery ATG, at best. He just doesn't have the resume, when it was well within his capability to do more. But he spent far too much time being calculated and cherry picking, instead of really pushing himself.
To answer the question, he has already had his time. It's highly unlikely he has enough left in the tank to make any real difference to his career. And history shows he may not have the inclination anyway.