What would you think of Wlad if he fights Arreola instead of Haye?

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  1. THE BLADE

    THE BLADE Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Well, Haye has only fought a bum in Barett.It is all talk so far.

    Areola has faced more heavyweights and has the slightly tougher competitiomn at heavyweight. He is also more known in known in the US and is unbeaten.
     
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  2. Punisher33

    Punisher33 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    I dont disagree with you, I stated Wlad has improved greatly under mans watch on the other thread.

    I just think Haye is the better oppenent for Wlad, not Chris "Poor Man's Sam Peter" Arreola.
     
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  3. Punisher33

    Punisher33 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Well they might be all true, but look at what the prospect of Haye fighting Wlad did to ESB. Everyone and their mother had something to say about, you can look no further than this and also at RUSKULL'S thread titled "Wlad/Haye". This is the match at Heavyweight people actually want to see, and are excited for. Arreola/Wlad is nothing to write home about, it will just be another KO for Wlad and the division continues to be a joke as it has since Lewis' departure in 03.
     
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  4. Hermit

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    ESB is it's own little world. It may or may not be indicative of the larger boxing world in general. Maybe CHEF could give you a better answer on that one. But for any given fight you get a string of guys screaming what a ripoff the card is and won't pay for it if it is PPV. You expect a crowd like this sets the agenda of a fight? Come on now. In the end, boxing is a business. From what I can tell, less than 4 or 5 of the people that bought tickets to the Pavlik fight at the Chevy Center are ESB members. So, 4/5 out of 7,200. Probably a good 7,000 of those folks won't even think about a fight until Pavlik signs his next one. Is this clearing things up any?
     
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  5. Punisher33

    Punisher33 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    I get your point Hermit, but I can assure the majority of ESB would buy a Wlad/Haye PPV, I know I would, as long as theirs a decent undercard. I just want the Heavyweight division to be in lights again, like it was when guys like Tyson, Holyfield, and Lewis ruled the division. If Haye can weather that weak chin of his, the man has star potential written all over him, he's got fighting style, power, looks, enertaining personality, other than being American, the mans got it all. I just hope he stands vertical enough to become the Heavyweight champ we all been waiting for.
     
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  6. Hermit

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    And I get your point also. But we then have a one man division by your standard here. Ali was a colorful character but he could back it up in the ring. In the long run, you are remembered by your best fights. Let's say Haye can breeze through both Wald and Vitali, then it was a weak division, so what? To be a single handed division maker, he would have to have multiple heroic efforts against both to "breath life" back into the division the way people are describing this.

    It is almost comical that in most of the other things I read people are complaining about fighters abandoing their jab. Get to heavy weight and Wald gets criticized for being too good with his jab? It's boring? WTF? :huh
     
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  7. Punisher33

    Punisher33 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    As far as Haye is concerned, the guy has that "It" factor neither Klitschko has outside of Germany. I actually like Vitali's fighting style and the way he carries himself, but the guy has no personality and fights once in a blue moon, so theirs really no staying power there. Then theres Wlad, who other than having a great jab and straight right hand, I dont see whats so great about the guy. The couple fighters he faced, I could see all the current title holders beating just as bad if not worse. As much as the Wlad nuthugers want to claim Wlad is this god, the guys far from being household name and the only time I remember him getting any coverage on a sports channel is when he fought Iggy, and that was it. To make matters even worse, the fight was labeled as a joke the next day by the same sports channels that kinda promoted it in the begining.

    Wlad's jab is a thing of beauty, but theirs aspects people expect in a man that is considered the best Heavyweight in the world. Wlad looks scared half the time I see him fight, and his excessive holding during some of his matches really begin to turn you off after a while. I want to see him go to war with an oppenent for once, without falling all over the place or hanging on for dear life during one of his famous panic attacks. I want a warrior, not a robotic Heavyweight who appears to be fragile when the going gets tough.
     
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  8. KCD

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    I think it would be the only viable fight out there except for a unification.

    As for Thompson and Rahman being jokes, Thompson was a mandatory and Rahman was on short notice.

    p.s. If Rahman was a joke....and im not saying he isnt.....he still beat Barrett who no doubt you claim to be a good win for Haye, oh and Haye whilst Haye might have a big following on the tinternet, he isnt a top seller in the UK.
     
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  9. Punisher33

    Punisher33 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Rahman is a joke now adays. Did you see his matches against Sykes and Zuri "Easy to Knockout" Lawrence? Rahman was rocked/stunned in both of those matches, and barely pulled out the victory against Sykes on my card, the same Sykes that was knocked out brutally against Sam Peter in the 2nd round a few years back.

    I dont know popular Haye is in the UK, I dont live there, but I have seen how pupular this fight is among boxing fans. I think if you pulled all of ESB and asked who you wanted to see Wlad fight most, I will bet Haye gets at least 75% of those votes imo.
     
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  10. Hermit

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    Are you really saying you want a SHW division? How many big athletic guys are you going to get into boxing if they know weigh 210 and know they have to face 300 pounders?
     
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  11. KCD

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    Dont get me wrong i dont think Rahman is a great or anything, its just it seems to be popular to hate on Wlad due to the fight falling through when no one knows what really went on and everybody is assuming that it was Wllads fault on the word of David Haye.

    I would also like to see Wlad fight Haye next because i dont really like Haye, he just not my cup of tea as a person, not hating or anything just not for me.

    But it bugs me when people slate Wlads competition when overating Hayes as though he wiped out the whole of the cruisers, which he didnt, and after beating Barrett whio remember had been stopped by non punching Couser in 2 and in his last 6 fights he had a 50% win ratio.

    But after Haye i cant really see an up and coming fighter out there except for Arreola, its sad to say.
     
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  12. Punisher33

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    I dont get what your trying to say, all I said was I would like to see Wlad not fight so safe all the time, thats all. The division sucks enough, it would be at least nice to see the number 1 guy get into some enertaining exchanges and not touch the canvas more times than picasso's paint brush.
     
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  13. Punisher33

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    I cant argue with what you said, but if I remember correctly Barrett was in terrible shape for his fight Couser, didnt avenge that lose to long afterwards?

    Haye is pretty cool, a little arrogant, but has that star quality the division needs desperately. He seen dollar signs, and he moved up to Heavyweight. Yeah he could fought guys like Bell, Cunningham, or Ademak, but was their really any money it that compared to what he can make at Heavyweight? I can't see it, especially if he does find a way to get it on with Wlad, which would big money for him.
     
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  14. mofo2

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    David Haye beats Wlad Period...he's the only HW Champion in living memory that is scared to be hit and he will get that in abundance if he decides to go with the fight!!

    Haye will box his ****ing head off and finish him with 7/8 rounds..and if he chooses to dodge Haye...He will prove what a Shithouse he is after all the bull**** talk him and Vitali were doing!!

    Wlad has reigned as Champion in probably the worst period for Quality fighters in the divisions History!! And is so overrated by his Nuthuggers its embarassing:lol:
     
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  15. Random1

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    I'm pretty sure Wlad won't fight safe when he's forced to really fight (which I think you're saying too Punisher, just not in those words). But I don't understand why people don't like that style when it's effectively what boxing is about: hitting without taking punishment. People get on Mayweather for the same thing, but for some reason they kept watching his fights.

    Anywho, I'm not convinced that he fights scared so much as he overconcentrates. Someone said once that he's a crazy perfectionist and wants to get everything perfect all the time. May not be the wisest thing as a boxer, but if that's his personality as he's developed, well... I guess.
     
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