What's a bigger mismatch: Alexander Povetkin vs Anthony Joshua or Alexander Povetkin vs David Price?

Discussion in 'World Boxing Forum' started by Luis Fernando, Mar 30, 2018.


Which is the bigger mismatch?

  1. Alexander Povetkin faces a bigger mismatch against Anthony Joshua

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  2. David Price faces a bigger mismatch against Alexander Povetkin

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  1. BCS8

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    That's a good sport. Fury is pretty cool when he wants to be.
     
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  2. SmackDaBum

    SmackDaBum TKO7 banned Full Member

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    Hard to tell. Povetkin is somewhat past it. And 6'2'' vs 6'8'' is a huge obstacle to overcome, skills or not.

    Just look at how easy 6'6'' Gerald Washington cruised the way more skilled 6'1'' Eddie Chambers to an easy UD.
     
  3. Luis Fernando

    Luis Fernando Well-Known Member Full Member

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    I just find it ridiculous that someone of David Price's size, is meant to be facing a mismatch against a relative 'midget' (in relative terms) as Alexander Povetkin. But Povetkin vs Joshua is not meant to be a mismatch, when Povetkin is much smaller and Joshua is much bigger, stronger and more powerful.
     
  4. Luis Fernando

    Luis Fernando Well-Known Member Full Member

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    This is David Price and Tyson Fury together

    https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DP-GL26XcAAuD_H.jpg

    Tyson Fury is listed to be 6 foot 9. And David Price looks taller. Ergo, he is very close to being 7 feett tall, if not exactly 7 feet or more.

    Alexander Povetkin is slightly taller than 6 foot 1 inches.

    My point is, how exactly is Povetkin vs Price such a big mismatch whilst Povetkin vs Joshua isn't? When Joshua is significantly faster, more muscular, younger and stronger than Povetkin? And especially considering how easily Joshua beat Wladimir Klitschko, compared to Povetkin being manhandled by the same Wladimir Klitschko?

    Isn't this as cruel as human torture, putting someone as small and weak as Povetkin in the ring against a giant and a monstrous creature in Anthony Joshua? It seems similar to putting a mouse against a bear in a fight to death inside a Colosseum, where Joshua is the bear and Povetkin is the mouse.
     
  5. dinovelvet

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    How did 5'11 183lbs Bob Pastor spark out 6'7 238 lb Ray Impelletire in 7 rounds?? = Skills
     
  6. BCS8

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    Alas, Dino just answered your question.

    Povetkin has some serious skills, and size isn't everything. Certainly Joshua's size helps him against Povetkin; if they were the same size I'd say Povetkin would be heavily favoured. As it is, I favour AJ but not by that much.
     
  7. Luis Fernando

    Luis Fernando Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Why do you think Povetkin is more skilled than Joshua?
     
  8. Luis Fernando

    Luis Fernando Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Nope! In heavyweight boxing, size, physical strength, big muscles, punching power, reach and height are more important than skills. Skills are overrated!

    Deontay Wilder is on the verge of becoming an all time great with very limited skills, in comparison to the smaller and more skilled heavyweights who are nowhere near as successful.
     
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  9. BCS8

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    Because I can see it. He has a much greater punch variety, he has good defensive skills and he can fight both at range and close up. Joshua is good but not as good as Povetkin. it's his size that makes him excel. I think even old Povetkin is going to give Joshua a hell of a go.
     
  10. Serge

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    Fury is a gypsy and a scholar.
     
  11. Luis Fernando

    Luis Fernando Well-Known Member Full Member

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    When I asked, I wasn't really disagreeing. Just asked out of curiosity. Glad to know!

    And Joshua does get hit less though. So defensively, he is better but how much of it is down to his raw, physical size and strength and how much of it is it down to pure skills that are unrelated to having a big size and strength advantage is the question.
     
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  12. BCS8

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    You're wrong.
     
  13. BCS8

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    Then I misunderstood.
     
  14. Luis Fernando

    Luis Fernando Well-Known Member Full Member

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    That's what I used to believe before. But as time has passed, I've had to learn to accept that in the heavyweight division, the most important attributes are size (natural weight), punching power, physical strength and range (height and reach). Boxing skills come next in the order of importance!

    I think you'll agree that Alexander Povetkin and Eddie Chambers are far superior in terms of pure boxing skills compared to big super heavyweights like Anthony Joshua, Deontay Wilder and Tyson Fury? However, in head to head match ups, they will almost always be the underdog.

    Povetkin is an exception because although he is small, he has punching power. Thus, for a small heavyweight, being skill + powerful (Alexander Povetkin) > being skillful + not very powerful (Eddie Chambers).

    If a heavyweight is bigger and more powerful than most of his opponents. Than he doesn't need to be too skilled. He only needs to do one or two things well in order to succeed. Deontay Wilder being a primary example for that.

    If a heavyweight is bigger than most of his opponents but isn't very powerful (like Tyson Fury and Nikolai Valuev). He also wouldn't need to be supremely skilled. He would just need to do a few things well and that's it.

    If a small skilled heavyweight with good punching power (someone like Povetkin or Mike Tyson) faces a big skilled heavyweight that also possesses punching power (like Anthony Joshua). Then the bigger skilled heavyweight has to be favored and it may even be a mismatch.