What's Calzaghe's best win?

Not better than either Hopkins, Kessler or Eubank when you take into account the circumstances. It might be as simple as "W" or "L" for you, but some of us hardcore fans take a more detailed interest

Hatton got away with a blatant low blow, and was allowed to hold and rabbit punch all night by Parris. I don't know if you've ever boxed, but believe me that **** takes it out of you. It was not a fair contest by any stretch of the imagination, yet Tszyu still kept it very close

Joe won his big fights clearly, and without the aid of crooked refs

 

You can't put Kessler on a par with KT, not yet anyway.

 

Nah actually I was fighting on your level - I regard Kostya Tyszu highly and give Hatton great credit for the win.

The Phillips fight showed however, that Kostya did have problems with pressure fighters, fights fought an intense pace. Kudos to Hatton for exploiting this.

However, Hopkins reigned for 10 long years as the man at 160. He lost two controversial fights then moved on up and beat the man widely regarded as the best at 175.

He achieved far more than Kostya ever did. I rarely if ever factor Zoo's inactivity when attacking Hatton - whilst some might cite it as being a factor no matter what anybody says, we were all mighty impressed with how emphatically Kostya whacked Mitchell and pretty much everyone on here expected a slaughter of Hatton. Ricky did well to come through that and it was a great win, his only great win in my mind.

Now as for Hopkins, he was still the man at 175. He was just one fight removed from one his biggest victories over Tarver. Undefeated against southpaws, an ATG to start with, pretty much consensus top 5 p4p. Also the fight was in the states, with a pretty poor ref to boot. JC won despite having the cards stacked against him which cannot be said of Hatton against Zoo.

I regard them both as being huge wins. But to state decisively that Kostya Tsyzu is a bigger win than beating Hopkins is not something I or many others will agree with.

 

I do. When I judge fights its more than about how big the names are. You have to take into account the condition of the opponent, and also the circumstances in which the fight was won

Tszyu was 35 or something, and had fought twice in 2 years. Hatton was allowed to foul, and get away with a blatant horrible low blow which changed the fight

Is Kessler a better fighter than Tszyu? Of course not. But it was a beter win

 

The flaw in your logic is it was never a true split decision, and you just proved my point that the deck was even further stacked against Joe with the Vegas judging, thanks :yep

As far as I can remember, Joe didn't initiate any fouls against Hopkins, quite the reverse infact. Hatton fouled from round 1, culminating in a shocking low blow which Dave Parris just happened to "miss"

 

I'd say equal.

 

Kessler isn't the equal of Tszyu yet - not saying he will never be though.

It's strange, some people have this as a brilliant win for Joe, whislt his haters have Kessler as a typical padded EU fighter (ala Dennis Holbaek Pedersen) - whilst I sit on the fence to a degree.

It was a very good win - not many Yanks will have watched this one and realised that at the half way mark Joe was at best, level on points, and switched tactics very well to secure the win.

 

The beauty of it is one group will be proved right, and it will be us :yep

How can Kessler be a padded EU fighter when he has fought a bunch of B level fighters and barely dropped a round? Not only that, but he beat guys of any style, and showed he can adapt to them. He beat Mundine clearly, a very quick and athletically gifted boxer. He beat Andrade, the typical pressure fighter with no problems. Knocked out Beyer inside a few rounds, the manner of that victory is impressive. That is A class potential, he now needs to prove it, and he will

I bet the house Kessler is a top 10 p4p fighter on any reasonable persons list within the next couple of years :yep

 

Kessler on what he has achieved thus far, is a good win. How the author of this thread can call a unified world champion unproven is beyond me.

 

atsch Your still going on about it?:verysad

 

Yes, still stalking me?

We were actually discussing the merits of various victories rather than that in itself, but don't you miss that chance for a dig eh?

Now **** off.

 

The flaw in your logic is it was never a true split decision - Great line.

 

Is it by sheer coincidence that you never, ever have an opinion of your own you just seem to mould into what ever seems to be the consensus thoery without submitting anything to validate your ideas?

 

The forum's been a little short of sanity in the last couple of days and now Jeff Thomas is arguing with himself!