What's it gonna take to beat Mayweather?

Come on floydettes, you want to toss the salad with extra jelly.

 

no jab.

no height.

over agression.

gets hit very easily.

anything else to build this pyrimid?

 

anybody looking for pics like that or making them is a ****ing "suspect" in my book.

 

lol are you blind? All posts before you have the right answer: young ODLH, young mosley, PW, pacquiao, martinez, bradley.

 

:deal Ive been saying this for a while as well. Especially now that mayweather is so damn strong at WW, you would be a fool to try and run him over. Castillo 1 is an example of someone using their head, keeping a compact stance and just thinking their way through a fight. Mayweather prefers to be a counter puncher but if you frustrate him he will open up more. Take advantage of every oppurunity he gives you. If you manage to get him on the ropes dont stay there with him. Hit him and back out as he is probably setting a trap. Pacquiao needs to use that footspeed to its fullest here. It also helps if your fast and able enough to counter punch him so he's a little more weary of throwing counter shots or setting traps.

 

Castillo 1 was floyd's most important match.He has never learned more in a ring outside of his own gym.That was the fight where he learned that you don't surrender ground.Don't beat someone on the outside but give up insignificant punches on the inside,because they are technically still scores and show up on compubox.In fact he has become a little bit of a bully since that fight.

By the way,Floyd won that fight 5 to 4.The judges scores were off.Floyd won 4 straight,Castillo won 3 straight,castillio won another but lost a point in the round,9-9 round,floyd won the next but lost a point in the round,9-9 round,they fought to a tie in the 10th,floyd won the 11th and castillo won the 12th.

It wasn't so much controversial as it was a really good fight,and the crowd(Foreman,Lampley,Merchant and Lederman included)was very pro castillo.Apparently the judges weren't scoring the more insignificant tapping bodyblows in the nonstop clinch and maybe didn't like the turning behind mayweather and punching him the back crap,because they had mayweather by 4 and 5 points.They must've scored the even rounds to mayweather,I did not,to me they were even.

But anyway,that was his closest fight ever and he learned nearly all he would ever learn from an opponent again.There will be no manhandling mayweather.There will be no out landing him and there be no out in-fighting him.He has become remarkably round and complete.Mayweather will only lose when he is out landed,out boxed,out brawled and out muscled.In other words it will take a big bodied master boxer at full middle weight.

 

That's what Marquez was doing throughout the 24 rounds they've fought... Didn't stop Pacquiao from hitting back.

Again, nobody ever said anything about Manny being invincible. When did I ever say that? Please stop putting words in my mouth. C'mon now just because I and a few others think Manny beats Floyd we suddenly think he's invincible? Where exactly is the logic in that? That would only be the case if Floyd is invincible, which he isn't.

I never meant Pac's gonna walk all over Floyd throughout the fight. That's ****ing ridiculous. Of course he won't, HOWEVER the tendency of Floyd to throw less punches than most boxers would be less of an obstacle for Pac compared to, say, against someone who throws more punches. Therefore, against Floyd it raises the chances of Pac winning. I have no doubt Floyd will stun Pac many times in the fight and will no doubt give him trouble all throughout. But Floyd's inactivity is what I think will prevent him from beating Pac in the end.

A big part of Floyd's game is putting doubt in his opponent and I just don't think he'll be able to do that to Pac. That's why the key for Floyd here is not so much his offense, not so much his counters, not so much his timing. Its his defense and nothing else because, correct me if I'm wrong, Floyd hasn't faced a pure unorthodox fighter in his career, has he? He's faced convential brawlers, he's faced conventional boxers, he's faced conventional slicksters, he's faced conventional punchers, he's faced conventional boxer/punchers. But never an unorthodox one from any of those styles, has he? And yes, there is a big difference between defending against an orthodox fighter to an unorthodox one.

As for your points about Cotto and Clottey. Everybody resets when they get hit, including Pac I agree. Pacquiao though is in that category where he hits back way MORE than he resets. Those fights with Cotto and Clottey are actual proofs of it, along with his previous fights with the Mexican legends. Yes Pac didn't hit back when Clottey uppercutted him 3 times in a row. But what about those many MORE instances where he actually hit back when Clottey hit him?

As for your post about Floyd's in-ring qualities:

Never denied that, Floyd will hit Pac many times in the fight. But again is throwing minimal amount of punches enough to actually beat Pac, regardless of the accuracy?

Same point as above.

This is where my argument lies. Does this "greatest defense" also work against unconventional style of boxing? How are you going to prove to me that Floyd will have the same amount of success defending against an unpredictable attack style compared to the more predictable attack patterns that he's used to dealing? How will he have the same amount of success defending against an angle-based attack? Personally, I don't think he'd have the same success. And that will be his downfall, IMO.

Never denied that, but again same point as above: Is his right hand enough to beat Pac, if that's the only thing he throws and with usually no additional punches to follow it up?

I disagree with this. I don't think he has superior balance to JMM. JMM's balance is one of the best I've seen in the past 20 years. JMM throws alot of combos, but you'll rarely see him get off-balance. Very rarely. Not to mention that those combos aren't just regular combos, they're combos from a counter. Which is more difficult to maintain balance with. Yet JMM does it with perfect stance and form.

So nah, Floyd's not superior. They're about the same.

Good point. However, Floyd isn't fighting a guy whose stationary like most of his opponents. Pac's in and out movement is a very good counter to Floyd's distancing. Never forget Pac's uncanny ability to close the gap between him and his opponent very very quickly. Because really it IS deceptively quick.

Good point. Pac and Roach have to devise a plan on how to counter Floyd's clinching.

So is Manny.

Yup. hits harder than Marquez. Not harder than Cotto though. And we all know how ineffective Cotto's power was against Pac.

If you watch how Floyd fights especially the 140-147 version of him, you'll notice that he never really throws combos with regularity anymore compared to his 130-135 days. Skilletscuz made a really good point about this in that you'll only usually see Floyd throw combos in the later rounds when he's got his opponent mentally beat or in other words when his opponent is "sunk" or discouraged after eating counters upon counters from Floyd.

And I really don't think Floyd can discourage Pac. Regardless of how many counters Manny eats. So I doubt Floyd will throw combos upon combos against Pac.

No offense, but by saying that you do realize that your no different to a ******* then? Unless you have a different meaning of a joyboy.

 

Your dealing with a Pac Fan boy. Not a *******. You'll find that we're in a whole different league than those nuthuggers. So sorry to burst your bubble, but I'll be here long after Pac is gone(or beaten, IF he's beaten).

 

Mayweather.

 

the only way your gona beat floyd is top outmuscle him and smother him, or via 1 punch or 2 punch ko because he will adapt otherwise.

you cant outbox him

sugar ray leonard would have been the right person for the job

 

You have to try to think because while your throwing 100 punches hes going to throw 40 and 30 will land and they will land in the same place. Your back will get tight from the 5 jabs per, Your getting tired because hes constantly hitting you in your mouth, nose and temple its sore and its hard to breath. your tight and your muscle are getting tired your constantly on the lookout for his straight right when you think its coming he hooks you on the head your getting fustrated because hes feet move but still he throws a punch, he looks like hes floating left but sneaks a hook. you continue to attack most of your punches miss he throws in between you realize he hits harder then his knockout record says. you noticed punching air tires you out faster then landing. you are fustrated tired and cant breath too well and he looks at you from his corner calmly. You wave both arms in the air as if you can do this all night. you do. your outlanded, you lost the last 7 rounds and you only connected 5 clean shots throuh out the whole night. You realize castillo isnt the blue print he just not the same fight he was 16 years ago. your coach cant help he steals your glory and your fans. You brutally murder the next poor champ that steps in the ring with you every punch you through you think of that mayweather guy.

 

It's gonna take a fighter with enough sustained fire power to make Floyd respect them.
Also score multiple knockdowns or a KO.

Sounds easy right.....

 

Jose Luis Castillo beat him.

Manny Pacquiao will beat him.

 

Fail!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

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