What's it gonna take to beat Mayweather?

I know that SSM KTFO Maragrito, but a guy like Margarito with an iron chin and who keeps on punching. I don't think Margarito can do it now, but Duran in his prime would be unfazed by Floyd and would make it into an ugly brawl = difficult fight for Floyd. Honestly, I think Pac gets outboxed by PBF but I really want that fight made - it is two ATGs almost in their primes.

 

I have said this over and over on this board. These are the 3 main things on top of being an elite boxer.

1.You HAVE to have a great jab to beat Floyd Mayweather(This is the most necessary bc winning against Floyd will start with this weapon)

2.You HAVE to have a high punch output.

3.You HAVE to be physically stronger than PBF and be able to push him against the ropes and in to corners IF necessary bc it most likely will.

I think DLH had the blueprint to beat Floyd but was too old to carry it out. I still to this day have no ****en clue of why he stopped jabbing in the middle of the fight!

 

Emmanuel's punch output was dropped by Marquez to only 51 average per a round. Once Void gets emmanuel's output that low, probably even lower, then emmanuel is done.

After his output is dropped along with his accuracy, Void will be taking all the rounds.

And emmanuel has never faced a Void Mayweather before, so whoever can figure things out will have a big advantage. Void's game is all about figuring out his opponents, versatility, adjustments, and adaptability.

What did emmanuel do the last time he fought someone who figured out his code vs Marquez? The same **** he always does.

You don't have to force emmanuel to doubt himself in order to win. He was still fighting on even when Morales and Marquez were beating that AZZ. This isn't a fight to the death. The time span to put in work is only 36 minutes. Being the greater fighter for the duration of the bout is enough to win.

He doesn't go back IMMEDIATELY to hitting after he eats a few shots of his own. That's enough time for Void to take himself out of danger.

Marquez only threw an average of 42 punches per round. That's 4 moar than Void throws on average. Throw in his defense to lower emmanuel's accuracy for a moar one sided affair.

Marquez was able to cut down his punch output and accuracy with good counter punching. Void counters way better.

Hit AND move.

They're not the same in balance. Marquez can barely keep his AZZ from the canvas. Didn't he get knocked down 3 times in 1 round? Void has never been knocked down.

Jab, jab, and jab!

Cotto was in the dominant position each time they ended up "accidentally" clinching.

The point was that Marquez isn't anywhere as fast as Void, but even he was able to give emmanuel hell.

Cotto's accuracy, speed, and timing is also **** poor compared to Void. Emmanuel was able to see everything Cotto threw and was therefore able to brace himself. It's the **** you don't see coming that does the most damage.

Lots of guys hit harder than Void, but their offense isn't as EFFECTIVE as his.

See above. Void doesn't have to throw as many combos or discourage emmanuel to win.

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Pacfags are a breed of their own. Not even Jacory Harris would go get a tattoo of Void.

Void took his jab away with counters.

 

Fight him.

 

1. Faster handspeed than him

2. Good Jab

3. Height advantage

4. High workrate

5. Good at working from range


Answer: Roach is developing a fighter who is still only 23, but in time 2 years i feel has the style to out point and beat Floyd Mayweather jr.


Amir Khan

 

What if he gets knocked out before those 2 years come?:think

 

He has to keep developing and winning for this to happen, but if he gets KO in the next two years then this fight and Khan's improvement will never happen anyway.

 

I hope Void remodels his style if he plans to fight beyond 2 moar years against some of these young guys with blazing hand speed. Lots of the things he does is based on speed like the jab to the body, leaping left hook, and his pull-counter. I'd hate to see him lose to some young guy who he would easily beat in his faster days.

 

Every dog has its day, soon it will be young guns like Khan and Alexander's time.

 

Darni I admire your level of support, but in no way is either Khan or Alexander up for grabs for Floyd Mayweather, nor will they ever likely be as Floyd only has a year or two more to get out.

Thats what Kevin Cunningham is dogging Timothy Bradley for, saying Tim is out of his god damn mind talking about Floyd and Pacquiao, when he's got a whole division of his own that needs unifying.

I understand you talk stylistically, but there are no indications of Khan even being close to on the level that Floyd and Pacquiao are.

 

people are still trying to figure out the enigma of that.

 

I disagree strongly, Modren boxing success of great fighters like Mayweather and Pacman is based on speed and timing mainly, and these fighters know how to use this, Khan is still working to master this and Roach is the right man to perfect it just like he did for Manny, Roach himslef says already Khan has faster raw handspeed than Manny.


Remember this law and this is just not for Khan.

Mastered timing and handspeed cancels/upsets all skill.


All Khan haters should hope his chin at 140 has not improved, if it has then everyone around his weight is in big trouble, because Khan is a pure boxer, not many if any can beat him on points.

 

Khan will be exciting because of his hand speed and the chance of being easily knocked out.

How do you rate Khan's power? It seemed to be average to me in the Malignaggi fight.

 

Paulie is a hard/akward fighter to land on full on or land a good combo because of his footwork. Khan was having trouble landing the right hand after the jab because of Paulie backward/ moving out of reach movement.

But still i dont think anyone landed that many clean shots on Paulie's head.

 

To which we go back to my previous point. Marquez throws accurate combos all the time, while Floyd doesn't. Marquez made Pac wary because of his counter combos, nothing else. That's how Pac was forced to drop his punch output. For every 3-4 punch Pac throws, Marquez counters him with the same amount. But even then, Pac never stopped giving up. You can still see a lot of exchanges from them up to the very end.

On the other hand, Pac won't be receiving 3-4 punch combos from Mayweather majority of the time. It's gonna be a different fight.

Same as above. Doubt Floyd's gonna force Pac to drop his punch output. Atleast not as low as Marquez did. Pac loves exchanges, but he also gets wary when his opponent throws the same punches as him... and connects.

I truly believe that to beat Pac, your punch output should atleast be relatively close to him. Along with the counter-punching and the ability to defend against his unconventional style.

Pretty much. Floyd is all that. Though by now, Roach is pretty much a master of those things too.

So it works both ways, brotha.

And yes I agree, whoever can figure things out will have the advantage.

Except Morales and Marquez both have that formula Floyd doesn't have.

Punch output.

The fact is, they wouldn't have outpointed, or in JMM's case, came close to beating Pac if they didn't throw the same amount of punches they did.

Floyd needs that punch output more than you think. It would go perfectly with his counter-punching and defense(which wouldn't be as susceptible to Pac's unpredictable attack style anymore)

I already agreed to that. But my point is that it still occurs way less than when he DOES go back to hitting after eating a few shots.

As I said, Pac does reset. But not as much as he hits back when he's hit.

Your gonna need to provide proof of this. Because I hardly think Marquez only throws 4 more punches than Floyd.

Marquez was able to cut down his punch output and accuracy with good counter-punching AND a decently high punch output. Floyd counter's way better, but he doesn't counter the same way nor does he have the same punch output. They're different.

Pac's a mover as well. And is pretty good at closing the distance. I don't think it'll be that easy for Floyd.

No. Not really. Balance isn't necessarily related to being KD'd. Not nearly. Marquez had good balance in those 3 KD's he suffered against Pac. It was either Pac's power or Marquez' chin that allowed the KD. Never the balance.

Debatable whether Floyd's jab is quick enough to catch Pac coming in.

I already conceded to this. Pac and Roach really need to figure out how to deal with the clinching, because I haven't seen Pac successful against it.

Then again, Floyd's clinching is hardly the thing that will get him the W here.

That's because JMM never relied in his speed when countering in the first place. He was always about timing, positioning, and most importantly combos. That's how he counters. His speed was never the first thing he'd used when countering.

Yes it's the **** that you don't see coming that does the most damage. But in this case, not necessarily. Compare Cotto's and Floyd's common opponents and see who was hurt the most when they fought both fighters.

Because the way I saw those fights:

Mosley was hurt more in the Cotto fight.
Judah was hurt more in the Cotto fight.
Corley was hurt more in the Cotto fight.

Overall offensive efficiency, Floyd's better than Miguel. Power and damage is all Miguel. So if we're talking about power damage alone, Floyd won't hurt Manny as much as Miguel did. That is an advantage for Pac.

See above as well on why he needs it.

Anyway, I guess we'll just have to agree to disagree on this one. Not necessarily combos, but more of just the overall punch-output throughout the fight. I really do think he needs it against a workrate machine like Pac. Same with discouraging Pac. If he does both those things, he defo wins.

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First of all. Is that guy posting in this forums? Because when I say *******s, I mean the people on this forums.

Second, Ok your not the same as the *******s. But based on my experience, the "joyboys" are a bunch of egotistical *******s who think they're always right and anyone who goes against them is automatically wrong and doesn't know boxing.

Of course that's all moot if your own definition of a "joyboy" is different.