What's it gonna take to beat Mayweather?

Williams has the physical tools but he's an incomplete boxer.
Mayweather's greatest strength IMO is the ability to control range with his speed, power and accuracy. Take that away from Floyd by either getting inside on him or keeping him out of range and at best you can make him uncomfortable enough to pull out a close win.

 

First I want to address your piece about DLH pressuring without any intelligence and being inconsistent with the jab. He wasn't "inconsistent" with it, it worked early but as Floyd began to settle in and adjust and figure Oscar out the jab became less of a weapon. Oscar is THE MOST experienced fighter of our time, he was THE MOST experienced fighter Floyd had ever faced. He didn't pressure "without intelligence", he doesn't do anything in the ring without intelligence, he was left with very little to work with and was pressuring with "desperation", going for whatever he could....which is NOT his style, which is why he wasn't "great" at fighting that way.

Which brings me to my next point, people always say all a fighter has to do is "pressure intelligently behind a good jab", but what if that fighter isn't a "pressure fighter".....like Oscar and JMM, and Shane really. Now before the fight even starts these fighters are already out of their element and out of the style that "made them great". They are already LESS great because they aren't even planning on fighting their fight. It is the innate and unavoidable belief that they cannot beat Floyd at his game, which is "boxing". That they HAVE TO adapt another style to beat him. This may be why Castillo had success because he didn't tweak his style to fight him, that was all him and all what he was used to fighting like...although PBF answered any questions in the rematch.

JMM lost the fight in the first round
Oscar lost the fight around the 5th round
Shane lost the fight in the 2-3rd round
Hatton kept up his plan the entire fight but got worn and broken down, but maintained the same style so I won't say he got broken mentally.

 

Hatton really fought the perfect fight against Floyd he just had a number of handycaps working against him...
1. he was a little bit too small, another 1-2" of reach would have done wonders
2. had "infirm and blind" Cortez not been the officiating that night he may had had more chances to work on the inside
3. maybe if he wasn't such a ****ing boozer between fights!
4. spent a lot of time in the ring eating flush leather from hard punchers.

Hatton really did a good job in there, the best he could do anyway and it's been a while since I've seen Floyd that uncomfortable in the ring. Ricky even managed to tag Floyd while he was moving backwards a couple of times. The fight was pretty close on points, maybe if Ricky wasn't fighting with handicaps of his own creating it may have been even closer.

 

700 would be around the divisional average. I'd say that needs to be cranked up by about 25%. However, bear in mind Floyd is a low output Boxer and, as implied in the posts before this, there would have to be an element in the opponent's strategy to try and reduce Mayweather's connects.

What would cut it, in your opinion?

 

I couldnt have said it better myself

 

Hatton had no chance to win. Floyd was stronger than him, and is a better inside fighter than him. Hatton did absolutely no damage. You can give me a 1,000 ifs but all your doing is creating a fantasy fighter that doesn't exist that you think can beat Floyd.

 

Yup, see JMM vs Pac. Pac's activity was way down.

 

I would add another (or add something to your point 3), in that Hatton, in my opinion, had become an 8-round Fighter, gassing at around this stage as he did against Urango (and had shown signs of flagging late on in the bout prior to that, against Collazo).

 

He didn't "become" anything those guys were big and strong and good, they wore him down.

 

In my opinion he did. It's as clear as daylight.

Given Hatton's performances against Tszyu and Maussa, in what way did Collazo and Urango wear Hatton down?

 

Up it 25%? So what's that about 800-850? I don't think a fighter can throw that much without being stopped honestly. What would be the element in a fighters strategy that would that would cut down Floyd's connect percentage iyo? And what fighters do you think can execute this currently?

I don't think the amount matters, instead a fighter has to pick his shots, feint and stay completely out of Floyd's range when not punching.

Honestly

 

Urango was blasting him with body shots and is a big strong guy to try and fight the way Hatton fought him. Collazo was also working his ass on the inside too and is a much bigger guy than he was used to

 

Up it 25%? So what's that about 800-850? I don't think a fighter can throw that much without being stopped honestly. What many fail to realise is that Floyd wants you to throw a lot, it helps his offense and he saves energy while you punch yourself out an tire hitting air an glove. What would be the element in a fighters strategy that would that would cut down Floyd's connect percentage iyo? And what fighters do you think can execute this currently?

I don't think the amount matters, instead a fighter has to pick his shots, feint and stay completely out of Floyd's range when not punching. Said fighter has to have great defense also.

Honestly I don't see any fighters able to beat him currently.

 

Dawg, calm down, the whole point of this thread is to 'create a fantasy that doesn't exactly exist'. I think a better version of Hatton would come close to doing it because he really made Floyd uncomfortable in there every minute of every round even while eating leather.

Man_Machine, I think we're saying the same thing in respect to Hatton's conditioning, he destroyed his body with alcohol and weight fluctuations, he wasn't able to go 12, he couldn't take the punches as well anymore, etc... Certainly I don't think it was his work ethic in fight prep.

 

What does it take for a fighter to beat floyd?

A) A punch like Mosley landed that hurts Floyd "a little" more and then they keep composure and follow up

B) A boxer that is "better at boxing" than him, and faster.