What's more likely..Dempsey beating Ali or Rocky beating Foreman ?

Oh Ye of Little Faith ! To say Dempsey was too small to beat Clay/Ali is to deny the records. Dempsey devoured bigger men tham he for the simple reason that he was
tremendously fast when in his prime and had inoordinate physical strength for his weight.
He kod large tough men as Carl morris, Fred Fulton, Jesse Willard, Luis Angel Firpo, all
big and strong though not as skilled as Ali...And lest we forget, Dempsey outboxed a master boxer Tommy Gibbons in a 15 rd broiling sun in Shelby ,Montana. If a Doug Jones
a Henry Cooper could hurt and floor Ali, why the heck couldn't the prime Dempsey do
better ?

 

Neither. :smoke

 

I was waiting for you to chime in on this Burt and I agree with you. Dempsey wasn't a small man and he was teak tough in his prime and unusually strong for his weight. I harken back to the clip of Jack scooping up a limp Firpo in his arms after ko'ing him in thier fight and helping him back to his own corner. That takes a lot of strength. combine that with his speed and power and a fight with Ali could be very worrisome for "The Greatest".

 

Marciano said the taller the opponent, the better.
A tall man had to hit downward at the crouching Rockey, diluting the power of his punches.
Rockey's punches would have an upward trajectory, increasing his leverage.

I'd pick Marciano over Foreman. After four or five rounds of Marciano hammering his gut, Foreman would fold.

 

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If I was really pushed, I'd go for Dempsey.

 

As others have suggested, I simply can't see Marciano performing any better than Frazier had.

By contrast, Ali was troubled and staggered by the quick hands and pressure of Doug Jones, who was Dempsey's size and style but probably even lesser skill and power. Dempsey is certainly the more likely "upset" IMO.

 

I would give the Dempsey who slaughtered Willard a fair chance against Ali. Dempsey's wild attack might give Ali food for thought. Bonavena gave Ali all sorts of trouble. Dempsey was also a great finisher. I often wonder what would have happened to Ali if Cooper had more time to go at him. Ali was gone, baby!

 

this.. demsey would be the toy of ali and rocky the ***** of foreman

 

:rofl

 

i am waiting for king troll foreman haters bummydavis saying his great point
"short pressure fighters with chin and stamina would beat foreman because the 5,4 qawi was winning the fight against 88 prime foreman until george got a lucky shot, but qawi did hit him so much, rocky wins"

 

Dempsey has a good style to put against Ali, and Dempsey had fast feet.
Rocky not so fortunate against Foreman, stylistically it's all stacked against him, but still has a puncher's chance.

 

Today on the Classic Forum I learned that the shorter and stumpier the heavyweight, the greater advantages he possesses. Someday, we will see a double amputee rule the division.

Also, I learned that beating an unproven Carmine Vingo, who weighed a whopping 189 pounds and had beaten 4 winning fighters in his career, qualifies one to beat Foreman.

The more I learn!

 

nah, all we know that vingo was 6´4 and 260 pounds of muscle :deal

 

Dempsey was hyper aggressive against running [which Tunney didn't really do against him], and he received his nickname from Damon Runyon for some compelling reasons. Ali's characteristic clutching would provide no sanctuary in that situation, and he didn't mind giving away body shots. That could give Jack a shot at an FOTC-like decision win if it went the distance. Muhammad didn't have Tunney's brains [and never claimed to].

Rex Layne banked everything on trying to physically bull Marciano backwards, but Rocky was more than strong enough to stand his ground. Less than a year earlier though, Marciano reportedly had some early issues when the 6'4 220 pound Johnny Shkor leaned on him, utilizing mauling tactics for four rounds before Rocky finally got uncorked. Shkor was no Foreman. Rocky never saw anything remotely resembling George during his era, while opponents of Ali's stature were at least familiar to Dempsey. [There were also first rate stylists around during Jack's heyday, and Battling Levinsky certainly didn't befuddle him. Footage of that knockout would be revealing.]

With Foreman and Marciano, much would hinge on whether George could force Rocky backwards as Layne failed to, then keep the short armed Marciano at arm's length. There is some footage of Frazier and Dempsey utilizing mobility, applying angles, or moving laterally. No footage exists anywhere of Marciano doing this. He was Gibraltar, but a smaller Gibraltar than Chuvalo [however much greater].

No question that Rocky was more of a bleeder, and Foreman was known to stop opponents on cuts [Wepner, Scrap Iron], and he broke Frazier's face in their rematch.

Jack would definitely have a chance to get going and unload against Ali if both were at their best. But if a peak Marciano gets shoved backwards and mauled for four rounds against Foreman, does even Rocky's heart prevent the referee's intercession?

Unlike Marciano, we do see a couple instances of Foreman moving in his early career. He does it against Chuvalo, and against Peralta. He's not completely out to sea if Marciano can stand his ground. Rocky is the one among these four most dependent upon the fewest alternatives.

For me, Dempsey has the better chance against Ali. Marciano, with his 67 inch reach, trying to unload while getting forced back, or attempting to compete with a 6'4" opponent with an Olympic winning jab at range, has the greater challenge here in my estimation.

Ali has nothing to hurt Dempsey with. I believe Marciano and Foreman can certainly damage one another, but Rocky's less likely to get that chance first.

 

Let me see Marciano a 180 pound cruiser weight hurting Foreman? Wait he is white though so the rules no longer apply. If Marciano fought prime Foreman 1 billion times 1 billion times he would get knocked out in the first round. If you think any thing different then you are either a racist which I assume 90 plus percent of white are or ******ed which i assume 90 percent of every race is.

Dempsey could beat Ali. If Henry Cooper who only weighed 180 or so could knock Ali down and almost out then Dempsey could get lucky and catch Ali too.