What's more likely to ruin a fighter?

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  1. PugilisticPower

    PugilisticPower The Blonde Batman Full Member

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    - Sustained beatings, ala Lacy vs Calzaghe
    - Bad knock outs, ala Tarver vs Jones Jr
    - Close wars, ala Clottey vs Cotto
    - Long periods of inactivity, ala Kessler

    Also how plausible is it that a bad beating on a fighter can take away from them and completely rob their future?

    It's all very well to judge fighters on what the people they faced did after they were beaten, but very few people forget what happened before hand.

    Of course, this applies to Calzaghe owing to the recent results of fighters he fought, but looking at Lacy, Jones Jr, Kessler, even Bika and Hopkins - you see guys who were dominant fighters, who with very few exceptions had no trouble dispatching credible opponents yet were outgunned in their fights.

    In Hopkin's case, the fight was an awkward one where the only challenge was to do the conditioning, no one really landed hugely flush blows.

    But in the case of Lacy and Jones Jr? 12 round beat downs where they were out matched and beaten on all night, standing through it all to take more punishment.
     
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  2. BigReg

    BigReg Broad Street Bully Full Member

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    I go, in this order;

    Sustained beatings
    close wars
    bad knockouts
    long periods of inactivity.
     
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  3. PACZ

    PACZ Czarnina-Sippin []ing Fan Full Member

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    Duckin real comp!
     
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  4. Body Head

    Body Head East Side Rape (CEO) Full Member

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    Sustained Beating/Bad knockouts
    Long periods of inactivity (years)
    close wars
     
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  5. PugilisticPower

    PugilisticPower The Blonde Batman Full Member

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    What about periods where you're not really testing yourself, fighting limited opponents even if you're fighting say once a year?

    David Tua for instance.
     
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  6. blastmaster122

    blastmaster122 Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Koki Kameda
     
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  7. Body Head

    Body Head East Side Rape (CEO) Full Member

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    That's a good one too^ and David Tua is the perfect example of that. I don't know where I would put that though.
     
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  8. Miles5149

    Miles5149 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    I'm with this. Sustained beatings take a lot out of you physically and mentally. It has to be a confidence crusher. Bad KO's at least you can tell yourself "I got caught with a lucky punch" and keep some confidence.
     
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  9. PugilisticPower

    PugilisticPower The Blonde Batman Full Member

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    What about the Floyd Mayweather Jr/Hopkins type beat down where they may not knock you out and they may not even hurt you much during the fight, but they're near unhittable, they find crisp counter punches anytime you try something and they show you no way to beat them when on form.

    i.e what Floyd did to Baldomir/JMM or Hopkins did to Pavlik.
     
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  10. Bee KeepZ

    Bee KeepZ Roid City Full Member

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    Fixed

     
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  11. EleventhHour

    EleventhHour Got Dat Black & Gold Soul Full Member

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    Sustained beatings. And Koki Kameda.
     
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  12. USboxer1981

    USboxer1981 The Real Def. MVP Full Member

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    keep trying dumbass, keep trying to find some excuse for your boy Calzaghe..

    The Calzaghe nut hugging undertone of this post is so obvious
     
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  13. IntentionalButt

    IntentionalButt Guy wants to name his çock 'macho' that's ok by me

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    Co-sign.

    I might actually swap inactivity and bad knockouts. Khan's looking far from ruined.

    Hatton's an example of someone who took sustained beatings leading up to bad knockouts, and the two were preceded by a few years of close wars. :yep Throw in a long period of inactivity now (judging by how he looks he won't be ring-ready until probably a year removed from the Pacquiao KO if ever) and he's just absolutely ****ed in every hole.
     
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  14. suicide booth

    suicide booth Guest

    Interesting topic. I think any of those can be VERY fatal and it depends on the boxer what the effect is.

    Im trying to think of fighters that have overcome one or more of those things.

    Long activity? Ali? Leonard?

    Being beat up. Hmmmm I cannot think of anybody who has come back from being beat up?

    I can definitely think of guys who have trucked on through close wars, Sugar Ray Robinson for one.

    As for Knock outs - yeah there's many, especially in the heavyweight division - Lennox Lewis and Klitschko have both been floored and it didn't seem to set them back. At least that's my impression anyway.

    Based on thinking this out, I have to say being beat up is the most career-effecting on that list.
     
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  15. Sweet Jones

    Sweet Jones Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Rafael Marquez somewhat fits this criteria also.
     
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