What's more worst (Pac, EM, MB, JJM)

Say what?

 

34 year old Marquez took the peak 28-29 year old Pac to the limit in their second fight. (In their first also but I dont want to give you room to say that Pac was not in his peak). Regardless of who the judges wanted the winner to be, the second fight could have gone either way and in many peoples opinions (more for Marquez though). That knock down might have saved Pac. Regardless, Pac was in his peak (and still is) and Marquez was 34.

 

What's more worst? :wtfThat sentence is. Try mixing in a grammar lesson sometime.

 

Give us a break with the grammer lessons. This is a boxing forum and lots of the people on here dont have English as their first language.

 

I'd say your grammar is more worst.

 

by those standards a green Pacquiao took a prime Marquez to a draw.

 

Whoever said Marquez is past his best is an idiot. Barrera was in great condition the first time he met Pacquiao and his fight with Morales after it proved it. Morales was in good enough shape for the first fight but a case can be made that he wasn't the same in the rematch, especially with the obvious weight issues. Excuses will always be there when it comes to great fighters losing so that's just typical and normal, Pacquiao won fair and square as he lost fair and square against Morales, some people can't handle that he was able to do what no one else did to those guys so they invent excuses. I'm a huge Morales as I am a Pacquiao fan and no one should deny that Pacquiao got the job done as he was supposed to.

 

there is some serious drunk typing going on there, what was the quesiton again?

 

Thats was my 2nd thought after seeing the title and first few lines.
If its NOT his first language i'll give it a go.If it is, i'll ignore on principle.

 

Basically....each side has excuses from a fan's perspective. Fans of PAC say that PAC when he faught and beat EM, MAB and JMM was 1 demensional, yet still talented and relentless enough to beat incredible boxers like MAB, EM or JMM.

Fans of the Mexican fighters say that JMM, MAB and EM were past their primes and that's the only reason why PAC beat them. So the author of this thread is polling to see which excuse is worse in the eyes of ESB members.

I say there is a common ground....PAC won b/c of his extreme natraul talent as well as the three great Mexican champions were past their primes, but they were only a bit past their PHYSICAL primes.....in terms of experience and round at the championship level they WARPPED PAC, so to me the grounds were pretty even and the wins PAC had over the 3 greats are very legitimiate.

 

I'll try to re arrange it a little.

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People say that Pacquiao beat Morales, Barrera and Marquez because they were past their physical primes. Well, Morales did beat Pacquiao, but it was a close fight, where Pac had to fight with a cut over his eye. His first fight versus Marquez was a draw.

My question is, as far as the 3 Mexican boxers are concerned, what's worse, getting beat by Pacquiao (or at least giving them a good, close fight) when he was still widely considered as a limited, one dimensional fighter, or Pacquiao being able to beat all of them because they were past their primes?

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Something like that?

Slight grammar improvement.

 

marquez was 34 but was not involved in too much war unlike pacquiao who already fought barrera and morales 5 times. pacquiao also started fighting when he just turned 16 while jmm started fighting pro at almost 20 years of age. add to that marquez counter-punching style which may lead to longegivity while pacquiao's aggressive style wears a fighter much faster. this means pacquiao should have more wear and tear compared to jmm.

 

Pac was at his physical prime the 2nd go round..no doubt about it but PAC is still improving as he showed against David Diaz. JMM with out a doubt is one of the very best boxers not only form a skills aspect but also from a talent perspective. JMM is as good technically as anyone and has been.

PAC by all acounts shouldn't be in the same ring if you break the two fighters down purely on the surface.....but for whatever reason PAC has some intaginble that allows him to OUT PREFORM his peers who are undoubtebly more polish and skilled.

When JMM and PAC faught the first time PAC was not in his physical PEAK but JMM was. Which is why JMM was able to make that fight as close as it was even with the 3 KD's...the 2nd fight had PAC winning more clearly which just so happened to be when JMM was leaving his Physical prime and PAC entering his.

 

34 years old is still 34 years old, and Pac had not really suffered all that much damage to his body. The guy has literally been mowing down his comp since he came into his own (not a teenager anymore). Other than JMM and the first Morales fight, Pac has not really suffered many wars. He has not been a Mickey Ward/Gatti type of fighter. Too much speed and power for that.