What's so special about Freddy Roach?

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  1. Saintpat

    Saintpat Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Pretty Boy is Freddy's son????
     
  2. lobk

    lobk Original ESB Member Full Member

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    To stupid to comprehend what you read?

    There were post talking about other good trainers. People kept on mentioning Mayweather Sr. It's a simple question, well maybe to complex for you.
     
  3. Bogotazo

    Bogotazo Amateur Full Member

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    From I've seen, he's excellent at drilling a fighter to use moves that simultaneously blend offense and defense; leaning to slip a right hand while landing your own, changing the angle right afterwards, side-stepping and attacking the body from an angle your opponent can't reach you, smart leads and counters that use an opponent's momentum against them, teaching Pac to tilt his head to slip any jabs/rights while landing his left and pivoting his lead foot outside, etc.
     
  4. Ripper11

    Ripper11 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Joan Guzman, Oscar De La Hoya, Mike Jones, Chad Dawson
     
  5. lobk

    lobk Original ESB Member Full Member

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    I agree that Sr made Dawson. Mike Jones is still to early on how good he'll become.

    Guzman had 27 fights already before hooking up with SR.

    DLH was another boxer set in his way by the time Sr started working with him.
     
  6. Rico Spadafora

    Rico Spadafora Master of Chins Full Member

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    agree
     
  7. Ripper11

    Ripper11 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    I agree with you to an extent though that Floyd Sr gets overrated, but I think that's because fighters who are already in their late 20's and early 30's try to hire him and get defense like his son.

    I think with Roger and Floyd Sr, that you have to train with them when you're young.
    Lydell Rhodes was trained by Sr. as a amateur and still is with him and he looks decent. I'm interested into seeing how good he'll be just to evaluate his training ability.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_OfKuiAMY4I
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  8. blackbolt396

    blackbolt396 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    ODH and Hatton.
     
  9. lobk

    lobk Original ESB Member Full Member

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    I think Sr knows his boxing. It's his personality that kills his relationship with the boxers he trains. There's been many stories that Sr makes it look like the boxers are fighting for him instead of Sr being there for them the boxers.

    I don't think people questions his boxing knowledge. But knowing the craft and being a teacher of the craft are two different thing. To me Sr hasn't been a great teacher.
     
  10. lobk

    lobk Original ESB Member Full Member

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    LMAO

    He was a hired name for these guys. Neither improved under him and the marriage didn't last beyond a few fights. One got knocked out so bad his career ended.
     
  11. Ripper11

    Ripper11 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    yes I do agree with this. His ego is way too big
     
  12. Bogotazo

    Bogotazo Amateur Full Member

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    Oscar's right hand and movement definitely improved under Sr.
     
  13. Bogotazo

    Bogotazo Amateur Full Member

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    Bumped this to include a saying Freddie often says about his philosophy of being a trainer, one which I've tried to adopt myself when breaking down fights:

    "I look for their habits. I'm studying Floyd against southpaws right now. I'm not looking for mistakes, because everyone makes them; I'm looking for habits, because everyone has something they can't stop doing."

    An article talking about his reading of Hatton's feints which set up the KO:

    Ricky Hatton had a bad habit of pumping his fists before throwing a combination, according to Freddie Roach, who is among the fight game's elite trainers.

    Roach -- trainer of Pacquiao, who many regard the pound-for-pound best fighter in the world -- identified this bad habit of Hatton's.

    The double-fisted pump was habitual and preceded the British fighter going on the offensive. It was more than just telegraphing a punch. It telegraphed a coming series of punches. It was a split-second's warning that Hatton was about to move forward.

    On the HBO serial documentary "24/7" that takes an in-depth look at training camps of world-class boxers about to fight one another, Hatton's handlers allowed only limited access to the gym and would not allow television cameras to record Hatton sparring. Hatton was training for his May 2 fight with Pacquiao. Presumbably, Hatton's camp didn't want any of their fighter's foibles aired. But Roach already knew about Hatton's fist-pumping habit and instructed Pacquiao to watch for it. Pacquiao knocked out Hatton in the second round.

    On a recent "24/7" episode meant to hype the pay-per-view Saturday night fight between Pacquiao and Miguel Cotto at Las Vegas' MGM Grand, Roach told HBO viewers that it is easier for a fighter to correct a mistake than a bad habit. A fighter senses his mistakes but has to be told what his bad habits are.

    To an opponent mistakes are random. Bad habits are anticipated.

    Cotto, from Puerto Rico, is challenging Pacquiao for the WBO welterweight title.

    After the fashion of Hatton, Cotto's camp did not allow cameras into the gym during sparring sessions. Instead, dizzy sparring partners spoke to the camera and reported that as Cotto loses weight, he grows stronger and punches harder.

    Cotto's ring history is as well documented as Hatton's. On the HBO program, Roach is seen in his home studying Cotto's recent fights on a flat-screen T.V.

    Outside the ring, the documentary seems to catch Cotto as the slower fighter when hitting the target mitts and the heavy bag.

    Roach said fighters like Pacquiao are born and not made. He said that Pacquiao is of the same class as a Muhammad Ali or a Sugar Ray Leonard.
     
  14. RJJFan

    RJJFan Boxing Junkie banned Full Member

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    Agreed, his comment changed the entire way I look at the way fighters move now.
     
  15. MannySteward

    MannySteward Boxing Addict Full Member

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    James Toney, Mike Tyson, Bernard Hopkins, Oscar De La Hoya, Israel Vasquez, Manny Pacquiao have all gone on record saying that Roach is an amazing trainer.

    I think i will take their word over your own.