What's the best argument against FMJ being the greatest?

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  1. DrederickTatum

    DrederickTatum We really outchere. Full Member

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    I do agree with you, but in the same breath, I genuinely believe if FMJ had a trilogy fight with each of those men, he'd come out the overall victor.
     
  2. h8me

    h8me Member Full Member

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    I'd argue Pacquiao could be ranked higher than Mayweather.
     
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  3. Humean

    Humean New Member Full Member

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    A more accurate statement would be that US fighters rarely ever want to travel. Their circumstances are not typically different from non-US fighters.
     
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  4. Humean

    Humean New Member Full Member

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    I agree, also why I feel he now deserves to be rated ahead of Holyfield as the greatest ever cruiserweight.
     
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  5. Richmondpete

    Richmondpete Real fighters do road work Full Member

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    Never the best in any division except 135, 140 and 147?
     
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  6. Bulldog24

    Bulldog24 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Never proved it. Never unified.
     
  7. Loudon

    Loudon Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Their circumstances are very different.

    The majority of the biggest TV networks are U.S. based.

    The majority of the biggest promoters are U.S. based.

    The majority of the world's best fighters are U.S. based.

    The majority of their competition is U.S. based.

    The majority of the biggest fights are held in venues that are U.S. based.
     
  8. Loudon

    Loudon Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Of all time?
     
  9. Humean

    Humean New Member Full Member

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    This is all over-generalised. The US is the most financially lucrative market for particular fighters in particular weight classes at certain junctures of time. The biggest boxing star in a particular country will often be in a similar situation as the big US fighters - namely that the money keeps them fighting at home.
     
  10. DrederickTatum

    DrederickTatum We really outchere. Full Member

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    Yeah but he fought the best guys.
    Forget belts, who do you think he should've fought, but didn't fight?
     
  11. George Crowcroft

    George Crowcroft 'Snarky Little Gobshite' - IntentionalButt Full Member

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    He probably has a case at 140 and 130.
     
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  12. Bulldog24

    Bulldog24 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Tszyu and Paul Williams for a start.

    Judah, Hatton and Cotto were at their best at 140. Floyd had the frame to move up and build muscle and wasn't having tough fights like the other guys v Tszyu etc.

    Chose Mitchell and Baldomir over Margarito... It goes on.
     
  13. DrederickTatum

    DrederickTatum We really outchere. Full Member

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    My number one, all time at 130.
    PBF puts a beatdown on Kid Chocolate idc what anyone says on that one.

    I can feel some stick coming my way for this one.
     
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  14. George Crowcroft

    George Crowcroft 'Snarky Little Gobshite' - IntentionalButt Full Member

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    You have him above Arg├╝ello? Achievements wise?
     
  15. tinman

    tinman Retired Gvozdyk Full Member

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    The best argument is in order to be the GOAT you have to find another super elite fighter in or around your division. You have to fight him in his prime and then beat that man.

    Floyd never did this.

    Duran did. So no, Floyd cannot be considered the GOAT.
     
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