What's the greatest win in Boxing history?

I would disagree and say it's in the running for sure. Hagler was an overwhelming favorite going in and it's only hindsight now when people pop up excuses for Hagler. No-one was talking ring size going in and the like.

The majority of experts believed Leonard won not Hagler.

 

It doesn't matter if people think I am a hater of Duran. That is not true but I am going to try and convince anyone. I give him credit for being one of the greatest if not the greatest instinctive inside fighter who ever lived. An absolute master. But, he was not a master of guys who could fight outside his range and who used speed to negate his skills.

No, this subject comes up and I respond. I try not to respond as it gets boring for me and other people to hear the same thing, but - Greatest win ever? When I see that I cannot help myself. He didn't knock him out. He didn't overwhelm him really and he fought him in a way Duran destroys everyone else who fight in his punching range (Barkley was a big middleweight and Duran beat him as you know), and this was a relatively inexperienced professional in his second title defense. Ray hung in there and fought him for 15 rounds. As Ray said " I felt I beat that man at his own game. I felt it would be much more rewarding to beat him toe to toe" . And in the rematch Ray outclassed him as he did in the rubbermatch, which I think should eliminate any talk of Duran beating Ray in the first fight as the best win ever. That proves Ray could easily beat him if he fought the right style. He did. Easily. Regardless of the excuses for Roberto.

 

Oh! C'MON MAN! I mean wow! Holy cow! No way! Don't go chasing waterfalls. Are you Edwin Viruet? I mean jeesal petes! For Petes sake. Ballalooga! Why I never! That'll be the day! But MarkAnt says.......Jumping Johosephat! Do you know Duran knocked out a horse with muleskinner gloves? Horses ate very fast. Faster than Sugar Ray Leenard! Duran caught the horse and ..POOOW!!!!!....KO !!! We all know Duran threw the Benitez fight to pay off bookies at Victors Cafe in NYC. No way a great fighter has such a pitiful performance as Duran did on January 30, 1982. Although I still had him winning 145-142. Soup and cabbage! Heather Thoomas buried Heather LOCKLEER IN LOOKS IN THE EARLY 80S. Cowabunga! A horse! Never saw Leonard with a horse.

 

Was Duran Naturally smaller though? How the hell did he make 135? Around the 70s he used to walk around at 180.

 

As flash illustrates with his examples, we can play this game all day long with almost every fight there was. Toney vs. Jones.... Toney was weight drained and not taking it seriously. Even though both guys should be prime. Ali vs. Frazier 1.... Ali was rusty, Ali had lost a step, even though both should be prime. Should we take away credit from Ali's win against Foreman, because Foreman was young and naïve and hadn't yet learned to pace himself? Should we discount Holyfield beating Bowe in fight no. 2, because Bowe wasn't in quite the same shape as his was previously? You'll love this one, and you must agree by your own words, we SHOULD take credit away from Hearns beating Duran, because Duran was past his prime, 3 divisions past his prime weight, the shorter man, with less reach, who's also older.... Guess that takes a lot away from Hearns victory eh with all those factors in play. Let me guess though, in that situation it doesn't apply right and Hearns get full credit for the win... AMIRITE?

 

What??? He got hit, stopped his attack momentarily, to as I said, make sure he was all good cause he felt it, and then started firing back. At no point did he stumble, did his knee buckle, did he start holding on and not throwing. He briefly stops his attack to check his faculties, Hearns thinks he's hurt so he goes on the attack, Hagler blocks the first ones... and then starts firing back. That is no indicative of someone even slightly hurt. He paused, stop throwing for like 2 seconds while blocking punches and starts firing back. Then, he takes more big blows square from Hearns, and not doesn't even blink, doesn't even stop for a moment, just keeps pressing. Hagler was not hurt, nor close to being stopped. He took it, and took more punches to no affect.

 

I'm going to say Duran beating Leonard was good, but Duran hardly dominated that fight, more like won a hard fought decision...

In my lifetime I'd have to rank both if Tyson's losses to Douglas and Holyfield as greatest wins ever, given Tyson's dominant persona at the time, and the fact that both Douglas and Holyfield were significant underdogs, and both pretty much dominated Tyson from start to finish

 

Holyfield giving Bowe his only defeat is a great win.

 

I know when someone is hurt and Hagler was hurt. And he came back and won the fight, that shows how great he is but he was hurt and his legs were wobbly and he stood there recuperating for a second and came back and put his guard up and kept punching. I think it shows more that he was hurt and came back and won. He backed Hearns to the ropes soon after the fight started and Hearns threw an awkward punch to his face and then another one which hit him about right temple area which is the punch which hurt him. Hagler's right leg dipped and he backed right up and another view of this shows his face contorted as he backed up. Then he sort of ties up Hearns or they get close and when they break away Hagler is shaking his legs and getting the feeling back. But he does well and recovers. I know and you know when a guy is hurt. The feeling in his legs went and if he were honest he would admit to it.

 

I agree. I don't see how Duran beating Ray was even close to a great win really. He was already great and Ray fought Duran the way you don't fight Duran. Really dumb fight for Ray, who said he wanted to beat him at his own game because of how he insulted Juanita. And Ray hung in there for 15 rounds. Then Ray outclassed him. How would that be the best win ever? And Ray was only in his 2nd title defense of his first title. He had 27 fights when he fought Duran and Duran had 72.

 

Holyfield-Tyson 1 is the greatest in my time as a fan (1996-present)

If you weren't a fan at the time you probably won't get it but the fight was seen as such a mismatch that there were fears Holyfield was going to die that night that's how unstoppable Tyson was perceived as being and how weak Evander supposedly was.
The KO loss to Bowe, the numerous wars he'd been in and the heart problems that nearly ended his career, Holyfield was seen as a completely spent force a guy who should have hung up his gloves after the Bowe loss. Tyson on the other hand had seemingly lost none of his speed and power, within 18 months of his comeback had steamrolled Bruno and Seldon, won 2 versions of the HW title and looked destined to unify and retire as the greatest HW perhaps only behind Ali.

But instead from the first bell Evander took the centre of the ring and stood toe to toe with Tyson, took his best shots, pushed him back and won by stoppage.

Others in contention :

Barrera-Hamed
Roy Jones-Ruiz
Hopkins-Trinidad
Mayweather-ODLH
AJ-Wlad
Fury-Wlad
Calzaghe-Kessler and Hopkins

 

no excuses needed. latest evidence shows Marvin as the real winner
and it really wasnt a close fight except to the UNTRAINED eye!

looks like those exerts werent really experts

 

its weird how your eyes and mind keeps playing tricks on you!

 

Mine or Ray's? If you read what he said and see the fights, it is very clear.