What's the greatest win in Boxing history?

No, if I could build up Barkley and say he was the best ever I would do it. I have nothing against Barkley. I loved his tenacity and focus. I just don't see how Duran beating him equals a win over Hearns. Hearns is greater. Let me put it his way. Would Kalambay, Nunn and Benn (and Duran especially)rather had wins over Barkley or Thomas Hearns? You know the answer.

Well see that is the difference of opinion. I think Duran at 154 and 160 was a strong enough guy physically to hurt Moore and Barkley, which shows he had the power. Whether you mention his 67 inch reach well, it goes along with my theory that a guy has to fight him inside for him to do well. I said he was a great instinctive natural fighter. Barkley's reach was what? 74? I really don't know off the top of my head, but from what I feel that would be what it would be.

Well like I said for years. Leonard was the variable. He won the 3rd fight also very easily. Lennox vs. Rahman? I guess we can blame making a movie and not getting there quick enough to acclimate to the altitude.

 

No you have it wrong. I just don't believe that Duran's win over Ray is the greatest in boxing history and this boxing message board is where I say what I feel about boxing.
That is like me saying I believe Ray Leonard is a legit. 5 time champion in 5 weights. I don't believe it. Ray won the last two fights against Duran easily. You can look at the two fights of Azumah Nelson vs. Fenech.. Azumah's excuse about having I think it was malaria in the first fight sounded like nonsense until you saw the second fight. Then it was more believable. He turned it around. Maybe Duran or Fenech or Schmeling or Rahman should not have granted rematches. But there were rematches for a reason. In Fenech's case he probably was robbed in the first fight, but still he looked better in the first fight.

 

I didn't know Duran fought them? I am comparing guys who fought each other and where they were most comfortable. Hearns and Leonard and Benitez moved around also. Benitez made the huge mistake of fighting Hamsho at middleweight. No I don't see that as a big problem since Duran fought until 2000.. Then you are being hypocritical and saying because Duran started in 1968, that it means he was this far away era. Like I said he fought in 2000 so by your explanation Duran is the era of Toney and Trinidad? And he did not even stop fighting because of boxing. It was a car accident. So he might have gone until 2003 or even 2005 knowing Duran and his energy.

 

It’s Schmeling vs Louis. Louis wouldn’t lose another fight for 15 years and after an interruption due to a world war. Schmeling was thought to be washed up, and didn’t win by fluke or by lucky early stoppage. He fought a masterful fight over a long distance while facing duress both physical and mental. The fact he stuck to his game plan and thoroughly defeated the more gifted younger ATG with no physical advantages is a remarkable win.
Douglas over Tyson is a good shout.
Duran over Leonard is a great win.
Hopkins over Tito is a great win.
Ali over Foreman is a great win.
Frazier over Ali is a great win.

 

It's close, but He's more talented than Hearns or Leonard imo and has more fights than them by a mile.. Going up and beating Ray at his best weight is the sealer for me. I will agree with you that Marvin has a solid case, for the #2 spot. Cleaned out the division twice and has a 10 in row win list that's off the charts.. Not going up does hurt him tho compared to the other 3 but there is no shame in staying in 1 division for me.. With that said I have it
Duran
Hagler
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Hearns

Maybe not the popular opinion here, but it is mine

 

LOL when you compare the win magnitude.
Duran over Leonard is 100 times greater than Hearns over Hill.

 

How about Harry Greb's win over Mickey Walker? We're talking a bout between two highly ranked all-time fighters, with Walker at or very near his best and Greb partially blind and fading.

 

Don't forget about his first win over Tunney giving up a ton of weight .. and the 2nd according to the vast ringside majority had him at least walking away with the title again giving up significant weight… Greb is always a great call

 

I don't think so. It is just opinions

 

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Hill

 

Yeah Ray was better, but the fact is that is not the best win ever. Ray was not at the top of his game yet.

 

Michael Spinks beating Larry Holmes deserves a mention for those of you who value the "moving up" and "smaller man" criterion.

Holmes was past his best but Spinks had NEVER faced a heavyweight in a professional fight before, nor even a cruiser, and weighed 199 1/2 pounds to Holmes's 221 1/2.

Holmes was still officially unbeaten at the time and one of the best heavyweight champions ever.

 

it's a good opinion but wasnt Leonard at the point of just trying to establish himself as champion? He only had one defense at the time

IMO, he seemed more solid physic

yes it would be unfair to leonard to count him at his best with only one defense under his belt

plus, if you look at him physically in the first Duran fight, he didnt wasnt as solid and built as he was in the Hearns fight 1981

re: Hagler - leonard, look I'm upset too but the video proved me wrong. I had scored the first round even but the video shows Sugar outscored Marvin
and all the other rounds I gave to Sugar, I was likewise wrong. let's just say that scoring wise, Sugar lost a lot of close rounds

with that in mind, Marvin has RIGHTFULLY beaten Sugar Ray Leonard, the second best fighter of the decade, along with prime Hearns, left over Duran, prime Mugabi, Sibson, etc

 

It is very hard to say Marvin won because of a video. That is similar to saying JFK was shot by conspiracy because of this program I saw which proves what happened. You have to go by the rules of boxing in the case of Marvin vs. Leonard, and real forensics in regards to that JFK case, which I don't know too much about, but I use it as an example.

Yes, Ray had one title defense when he fought Duran. Not exactly someone who yet was a peak and experienced fighter. Duran exploited his lack of experience outside the ring. But Ray is smart. He was a quick learner. And he turned it around. But there is no way that was close to the greatest win in boxing history. Not close.