What's the most interesting boxing conspirancy you've ever heard?

Need some older posters to help remind me - was it Wlad Klitschko's loss to Brewster that had the Green Man lurking in the background that everyone kept pointing out and obsessing about? I know Klitschko's team suspected his water had been tampered with, when he started the fight strong then 'mysteriously' zonked out in the 5th. That generated the standard conspiracy permutation. But I thought this was also the fight that had The Green Man, maybe a guy on Brewster's team. Anyone else remember that?

 

I just remember Wlad fired his cutman Joe Souza, who wiped his legs and arms down with Vaseline, because he said the Vaseline caused him to get too hot.

Boston Globe
https://archive.boston.com/sports/o...05/10/this_lawyer_not_raising_the_bar?pg=full

It didn't take long for Wladimir Klitschko and Judd Burstein to try to make a federal case out of Klitschko's loss to Lamon Brewster. Literally. Klitschko, the former World Boxing Organization heavyweight champion, last week hired Burstein, an ex-mob lawyer who has become boxing's busiest litigator not working for Don King, to press the United States Attorney in Nevada into launching an investigation into the April 10 fight in which Klitschko collapsed from two Brewster punches after apparently punching himself out in fewer than five rounds.

Although Burstein made no formal charges in a letter to Daniel Bogden, he strongly suggested Klitschko may have been drugged. That brings to three the number of excuses Klitschko has made to explain away the growing evidence he is not what people thought.

Immediately after the fight, Klitschko said he'd suffered from unusually high blood sugar, which would account for his sudden tiredness. Then the Klitschkos dismissed Joe Souza, one of the game's best cutmen, before Klitschko's brother Vitali faced Corrie Sanders, claiming Souza had covered the younger Klitschko's arms and legs in Vaseline before the Brewster fight, trapping his body heat and exhausting him in two rounds. That allegation was laughable. Now comes the implication Klitschko was drugged.

Burstein's letter pointed out the betting line fell from 11-1 to 3 1/2-1 just before the fight, and he called the shift "extraordinary." Yet one of the most knowledgeable sports book operators in Las Vegas said last week he didn't find the shift all that unusual or unexpected.

"There was a big move on the [underdog], but the people around Brewster, the Hollywood crowd, bet a lot of money," said Art Manteris, vice president of race and sports operations for Station Casinos and the former head of legal bookmaking in some of the biggest casinos on the Strip. "It doesn't take a lot of money to move a line in a fight like that. I got killed on the fight, so it was very disappointing to me as a bookmaker, but there had been talk from people in LA about Brewster's chances for weeks. I got calls from a number of people in LA about what the odds might be on Brewster for the last two months. It didn't shock me the betting ended up that one-sided.

"It was obvious Klitschko was punching himself out. I told people watching the fight. You could see it coming. He was throwing so many bombs. The same thing happened in another fight of his [a loss to journeyman Ross Puritty in 1998]."

Burstein also claimed blood and urine samples taken from Klitschko after the fight were destroyed despite Klitschko's request they be retained for further testing. Burstein called that "incredible" but in the next sentence wrote, "Of course, there are a number of possible explanations, some innocent, for what occurred." One sentence later his reasoning shifted back, as he wrote, "However, one of those possible explanations -- and an eminently reasonable one -- is that those specimens were destroyed in order to hide the truth of what happened to Mr. Klitschko." Klitschko's samples underwent postfight testing, and other than finding high blood sugar there were no suspicious substances, according to commission doctors.

Burstein alleged an all-access credential for one of the fighter's entourage also was missing, implying someone could have used it to gain "unfettered access" to Klitschko's locker room. Of course, all of Klitschko's water bottles and equipment should have been with his cornermen, and his locker room would not have been left unattended once he arrived. So what was Burstein saying, that the culprit poisoned the turnbuckles?

 

I'm not sure how true it is but apparently i have heard that they have it in their contracts that they are not allowed to disparage or insult Haymon & company or they will be sued,etc

Along with having to thank him personally & if you forget too then Sam Watson will climb in the ring just in time to whisper it in your ear in case you forget to follow the script haha

 

The death of Sonny Liston....was he killed ? suicide ?

 

If you've taken a hook to the liver like that you'll know it paralyses you hurts like heck. Whether Oscar faked it who knows for sure but with a gun to my head Id have to say it was a genuine KO

 

Also his birth. Still feel he was the older brother that took the younger ones identity.

 

Its the pounding on the floor that makes it comes across as selling the ko to me.

 

Yeah exactly. **** was weird. Also strange how it all seems to have been deleted.

 

The complete nonsense that is "weight bully"

 

I can totally see Sam Watson doing this. However, if he "forgets" or he isn't close enough to do it, I'm sure one of his two sons will remind the fighter.

What do you think about almost every PBC fighter having a promotions company, even though none of them actually promote anyone not named Al Haymon?

(55) Why PBC Fighter Have Their Own Promotion Company - YouTube

 

Wilder and Fury's IQ's are less than the amount of rounds they've fought against each other.

 

One I enjoyed is.. That AJ had a fit in the changing room before he fought Ruiz Jr and that's why AJ looked so weird before the fight and why AJs Father went after Hearn after the fight.

Another one from the same night/fight is the Matchroom fighter were "poisoned" or "drugged" through an air vent in their dressing rooms because if memory serves Josh Kelly was lacklustre and so was Katie Taylor.. both lucky to leave without a loss.

Again, from the same night/fight, AJ was knocked out/stopped in sparring by Okolie a couple of weeks before the fight.



And obviously Wilders "egg weights" in Furys gloves was superb, they would have shattered Furys hand but in fairness if I had a huge dent in my head from a boxing glove I would be asking some questions.

Wilder had some mad ones thinking back, saying his own trainer drugged him was crazy.

 

That Bernard was gonna lose to Tito after he threw down the Puerto Rican flag and that Tito was simply fighting Hopkins as a stepping stone, to move up then fight Roy Jones Jr.

 

"No mas" Duran-Leonard II still seems suspicious and must be top of any boxing conspiracy list.