What's the point of cruiser weight if

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  1. McGrain

    McGrain Diamond Dog Staff Member

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    Yes, I know that.

    But how you work is you take something someone has said, repeat a slightly twisted version verbatim, then continue to repeat that on the forum endlessly as the final word on the matter. In other words, on this occasion, you would use the inference that these fighters were huge in Germany in order to insinuate that this wasn't true in other countries.

    Whether or not this was your true intent doesn't matter - as my my pointing out that lots of people watched in other countries was true whether or not you were hypnotising yourself, or just agreeing with me. It only matters in the former case, not the latter.
     
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  3. McGrain

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    Checked, purse bid was $23m.
     
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  4. NoNeck

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    It wouldn't surprise me at all. If any heavyweight was undervalued in the last 30 years, it was Lewis.
     
  5. choklab

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    For some bizarre reason I think you are a tad obsessed that i am deliberately using techniques of mind control to get people to recognise heavyweight has the wrong name today.

    On Klitschko I agree with you. They were successful in some markets, huge in Germany and the Ukraine but of minor interest in some other markets whilst still being successful there. They were around a very long time.

    There was no Klitschko mania. They were not the Beatles. Norman Wisdom was bigger in Romania.
     
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  6. McGrain

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    You can cure yourself of that thought from here in. It's in accurate. I barely consider you capable of controlling your own mind :lol:

    About right.
     
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  7. GlaukosTheHammer

    GlaukosTheHammer Boxing Addict Full Member

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    :lol: :lol:

    :lol: That is because you are the only one looking for an argument.

    Everything I've said since you responded to me was based on assuming you're telling me the truth. I've not looked up anything because I thought we were just shooting the breeze until you refused to continue the conversation.

    I don't know how to be more clear. I have no issue with, do not dispute, nor refute Wlad being popular in Germany. I'm just curious as to why his career similarities end with viewership figures, and hesitant to agree with Wlad's popularity equating to a popular HW division because Wlad never had a rival to build a big payday with. I don't feel like it's offensive, off the wall, agenda riddled, or a refusal to accept my ignorance. It's just the natural questions I have after being told Wlad got numbers Tyson would be proud of is evidence of a healthy and popular HW division through the Wlad reign.

    :lol: It's funny to me that you say you've no time for BS. I was trying to talk about boxing. It seems to me the conversation was about boxing until you threw your bull**** fit.
     
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  8. McGrain

    McGrain Diamond Dog Staff Member

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    It's more an indifference to whether or not I have an argument.

    SO you're wrong again, i'm afraid. I don't want an argument with you and until you quoted my post there i'd forgotten all about you.

    This is also incorrect. If I want to refuse to continue a conversation, I just won't talk to you. It's the most straightforwards thing that can be imagined, really and it happens all the time.

    Well, in this instance you could have stated what you stated in the next paragraph in your reply to me. This would have saved us six posts:

    Which is fine - the correction I offered you was seeking this specific response. You acknoweldged you are wrong and now we both agree. That'd be a good conversation if not for all the other...BS.
     
  9. mcvey

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    You are an exception!
     
  10. mcvey

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    Two statements
    I don't think you are a full shilling.

    I don't think I am alone in this opinion.
     
  11. GlaukosTheHammer

    GlaukosTheHammer Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Except not a single one of my questions were answered.

    So, basically what I got out of this is you're an old ****. You're not interested in talking about boxing you're interested in being a ****.

    You responded to be because you're a little *****. You threw a fit because you're a little *****, and you continue to act like a little ***** because you're such a little ***** you actually think the way you conduct yourself is respectable. You soothe your little ***** feelings by partnering with other little bitches so you can stay in your little ***** bubble.

    No, dumbass, Wlad being popular in Germany doesn't equate to a popular HW division. You're shitty anecdote isn't worth a ****, and I really wish I'd treated you like the little ***** you are from the beginning....you little *****.
     
  12. GlaukosTheHammer

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    Yeah, I don't give a ****. You don't know dick, I mean less than current high school kids, about physics and are willing to argue like you might know something. You don't understand me because you are a counterfeit, bull**** artist, and propagandist.

    Your opinion on anything couldn't mean less to me. You are bull****.
     
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  13. McGrain

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    I'm not here to answer your questions.

    You said "nobody watched heavyweight boxing during the Klitschko era" or words to that affect.

    I said, "that's wrong."

    You (eventually) said "you're right, I was wrong" or words to that affect; and that should have been that.

    Unfortunately...

    Now you're calling me a bunch of names you know I won't be able to read :lol:

    Which is a bit unnecessary, but could certainly be allowed to pass. However:
    Which is incorrect for a number of reasons that have to be addressed.

    1) You didn't say HW boxing wasn't popular. You said it nobody was watching it. This is a subtle but an important shifting of the goalposts on your part (although I didn't take you literally, of course). Either way though, it's a ridiculous statement which can be proven to be untrue with very little effort.

    2) Wladimir Klitschko's biggest television audience is twenty million people. Twenty. Million. He has boxed for audiences in the high tens of thousands. Even in America, where your statement is less ridiculous, your position is still ludicrous and is not one that can be defended. Wladimir Klitschko's record audience in the USA is 17,000. That's pretty big for that country. More than 1.7m people watched the same fight on HBO. I don't know a lot about television in the States but according to Bad Left Hook, that is huge. In the UK his record for PPV is - 1.5M buys. This is astonishing.

    3) Yes, for each of these widely watched, enormously popular contests, Wlad had a dance partner, like every fighter does, but your position is not that Wladimir is unpopular - it's that HW Boxing was unpopular, that "nobody watched it". As has already been identified, this is wildly inaccurate, but here's some more. 10s of thousands of people turned out to watch multiple David Haye fights. Many of these were broadcast across the world. Thousands and thousands and thousands have turned out to watch Tyson Fury - even against no-hoper opponents after a failed drugs test he can command tens of thousands in this country. Anthony Joshua, as a prospect, was commanding thousands during the Klitschko era. Heavyweight boxing has remained massive in Europe during a period in which you claiming nobody watched.

    Your claim is crazy. It's absurd. It has absolutely no basis in reality. And no amount of ****/****/****/***** out of your potty mouth is going to change that.
     
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  14. GlaukosTheHammer

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    Yeah, no Sally. You don't get to go back to talking about boxing because I embarrassed it out of your ***** ass.

    I gave you ample opportunity to explain and you put an all stop on the conversation.

    I treat you like an emotional little dog's pizzle and all of a sudden you got answers?

    :lol: ***** ass tinkerbell mother****er that you are, you probably can't even understand how that makes you twice the little ***** you were before.

    Go have you a tea party princess, I don't give a **** what your dumbass has to say, what you think, how you feel, or what you believe is a half worth a **** point. You don't either until someone calls you Sally.....:lol: what a *****.
     
  15. McGrain

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    I don't feel embarrassed. Writing **** ***** etc. doesn't embarrass me. And i've only talked about boxing, specifically HW popularity. I just didn't talk about exactly what you wanted in boxing.

    They're the same answers I gave before. Look:

    You: Noboyd watched heavyweight boxing during the Klitschko era.

    Me: You're wrong.

    You: You're right I am wrong.

    You: Boxing wasn't popular during the Klitschko era.

    Me: Detailed answer that proves you wrong.

    It's easy to follow, it's not difficult at all. It certainly has nothing to do with your writing *****, **** etc.

    Yeah, just so you know - none of this is achieving that embarrassing thing you're after. If anything, it paints you ridiculous.

    Just (re)admit that HW boxing was popular during the Klitschko era. It's easy, and you'll feel better for it.