What's the point of mitt drills?

Discussion in 'Boxing Training' started by Eastpaw, May 30, 2016.


  1. BoxinScienceUSA

    BoxinScienceUSA Member Full Member

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    no matter what sport it is, sport specific skill development and conditioning is primary.

    here's a list of elements every serious athlete should consider ...
    Technical
    Tactical
    Conditioning (which comes in many forms)
    mental/emotional
    nutrition
    flexibility
    Equipment

    if anyone here really wants to learn about sport conditioning and when to use what kind for which purpose/phase of training (ex. how to get those previously mentioned motor units firing at maximum potential) STUDY these books THEN put into practical application ...

    Periodization: training for sports (the older versions have a periodization chart for boxing for two bi-annual peaks. there's a new very recent edition but i'm not sure if it has boxing in it)

    Periodization: theory and methodology of training (this is a committed read for the seriously interested)

    both by Tudor Bompa on Human Kinetics Publishing
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    part of my issue with a lot of S&C trainers is that they also use the principle of confusion as their main strategy (which is HUGE in fitness today. think crossfit wods), instead of using the principle of progression, which is what a lot of S&C trainers in seasonal sports use.

    taking a pro from the couch to a training camp, and using plyos and agility drills for 6-8weeks is more prone to injury than someone doing general full body conditioning, making sure that all joints equally strengthened at all angles.

    THEN we get kids and coaches in rec gyms do the super man situps they see maywether doing (putting so much force on those knees), just because mayweather is doing it, and these kids cannot even do a proper squat. it is irresponsible.

    end of the day, if you hear something that you like, or makes sense then have some fun playing around with it, but don't just take someones word for it, even if it's me. order those two books from the library and see if they makes sense.
     
  2. Adybrrady

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    It amazes me when there people who call themselves boxing caoches but don't even understand the basic laws of physics and a fundamental understanding of how the human body works!

    As a boxing purist it is my aim to prove to the world of boxing that all this cross training, i.e skipping, running, circuit training, swimming, rowing, padwork, etc are a complete waste of time. For me boxing is the exercise that will give the best results.

    It is also my intention to prove that 'cardio' is pure fantasy and that Energy is the truth!
     
  3. Mr.DagoWop

    Mr.DagoWop Boxing Junkie banned Full Member

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    "Cross training" techniques such as skipping rope, chopping wood, rowing, and swimming help develop the muscle, stamina, and strength needed for boxing. You can still develop those things from boxing exercises but it will be faster to do the cross training techniques mentioned. I'm all for training boxing for boxing but there are things that can be done to improve your power, speed, etc. Just because there is equipment already available doesn't mean that you can't use other things to supplement that equipment. It's when people try to change the use of the equipment that they go wrong.

    For example. Archie Moore took a bodyweight measuring scale and changed it up a little bit in order to measure the power of a punch. Before Earnie Shavers started chopping wood (he had been hitting the heavy bag for a while and wasn't a beginner) Archie Moore placed the scale on one side of the bag and told Shavers to hit the bag. The power was X amount of pounds which I can't remember edxactly but after chopping wood for around 6 weeks, they did the same thing again and the scale measured that Shavers power increased 25% since he had started chopping wood.

    What you have to realize is that Archie Moore was the greatest expert on knocking someone out. It was scientific to him. He taught Shavers, Foreman, and early Ali. Moore said that if Ali had stayed with him he would have turned him into a great puncher.
     
  4. Paulie walnutz

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    Crossfit or epileptic seizure? https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=rgH_ZoMOht8
    If someone can prove through science that the effect of routines last more than a week please do so. As we laboriously journaled a muscular physique lies not in routine but in myostantin.
     
  5. Flatlander

    Flatlander Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Well it is good to have goals I suppose.
     
  6. Paulie walnutz

    Paulie walnutz Active Member Full Member

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    s.m.a.r.t
    goals
    suck
     
  7. Adybrrady

    Adybrrady Member Full Member

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    This is what I am talking, speed and power are scientific terms in physics which can only be increased by increasing the mass (human body). None of the aformentioned exercises increase body mass and therefore are of little use in boxing.
    Choppin wood is a good exercise for improving the power of a over hand right or left depending on stance, but what about the straight punches?
    Problem; short term quick fix methods give the impression that you are trained fighter
     
  8. Mr.DagoWop

    Mr.DagoWop Boxing Junkie banned Full Member

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    If you have ever chopped wood you would know that the motion for swinging an axe is the same for a straight right hand. You pivot the right foot and bring weight forward by driving through the hips then the shoulder. Just because the axe is coming in a downward motion like a overhand right doesn't mean you are working that punch only. Try it and you will know what I'm talking about. In theory to someone who has never done it your reasoning is sound but to someone who has actually chopped wood not so much.
     
  9. Flatlander

    Flatlander Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    I will take solid technique and speed over muscle mass everytime.
     
  10. Paulie walnutz

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    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Uxwh2IIg_Z0
    Top have an 80/20 in fast twitch muscles the average man has a 50/50 split of fast and slow twitch. Boxing is about the discovery of talent.
     
  11. Paulie walnutz

    Paulie walnutz Active Member Full Member

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    Chopping wood won't increase velocity.
     
  12. Mr.DagoWop

    Mr.DagoWop Boxing Junkie banned Full Member

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    I don't think you understand what velocity is. You mean speed. Velocity is speed only with direction added.

    This is a perfect example of what I'm trying to communicate this whole time. You chop wood to increase power, not speed. You guys are using these exercises all wrong. Would you hit a heavy bag to get better footwork or a speed bag for power? No.

    Chopping wood makes you hit harder plain and simple. No need to over complicate it. I show you guys what each piece of equipment does and if you have any quarrel simply say.

    Heavy bag- Power
    Speed bag- hand-eye Coordination, hand speed (to a certain extent), and timing
    Double end bag- Rhythm, fluidity with combination punching, timing
    Shadowboxing- footwork and punch fluidity
    Sparring- Putting everything from the above exercises to use

    Any questions?
     
  13. Flatlander

    Flatlander Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Working mitts properly can help with all of the above.
     
  14. Mr.DagoWop

    Mr.DagoWop Boxing Junkie banned Full Member

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    You can't work on power and most people don't do mittwork in a way that helps footwork.
     
  15. Flatlander

    Flatlander Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Of course you can work on power and footwork. :patsch I feel like I am in the twilight zone. :lol: So many people think they know but they don't. Come to my gym and you will find out. :yep