What's with all this talk about Jermain Taylor being a fraud?

I actually think that people would've thought higher of him had he lost a few of those fights with Hopkins/Winky. In that case, people would've said that he's the young, underrated guy that almost beat 2 of the best P4P fighters in the world even while being a bit raw. But because he got either the win or draw in each case, some have a feeling that he didn't deserve this and are resenting him.

But i honestly think that guys like TFFP and Amsterdam only saw Taylor fight a few rounds or maybe even a fight or two. They never really watched him or followed him.

 

Probably started by B-Hop fans, and everybody else ran with it. You will hear in here things like JT can't punch for ****, no power. They'll tell you how it makes them sick to see such an extremely flawed fighter getting any accolades at all. They're gonna tell you about his many "gift" decisions, that obviously JT agreed to and knew all along that all he had to do was stay on his feet and everything would be OK. Just watch.

 

Oh yeah, Klion and I agree with you completely. But watch all these "matter of fact" "holier than thou" mo fo's start chiming in here to tell us "exactly" why we're wrong.

 

I could go into detail, but I feel that I have talked about Jermain Taylor's position way too much at ESB. For a little while at least, I'd rather discuss fantastic fighters and not flawed, overhyped, underachievers.

 

I take offense to that sir!:hi: :bart

 

You let me down with your first post up there bro. I expected nothing less than a 500 word essay on the "fraudulism" of JT from you. lol..

 

All 3 words are true to some extent.

Flawed - In the sense that despite his immense natural talents, he hasn't been able to harness them the right way until his last fight.

Overhyped - Yes, in the sense that because he got the nod in every big, competitive fight he was in, it's easier to overhype the guy.

Underachiever - Again, in the sense that his natural talents weren't maximized up until his last fight.

But still, does that make him a "fraud"? No, i think not. Flawed at one point? Yes. Overhyped at one point? Yes. Underachieved at one point? Yes. But his KO loss to Pavlik humbled him and i think he's fixed his flaws and underachievements and he is not longer overhyped. People now see him for what he is. Not the undisputed MW champ but the the guy who is beatable but is capable of competing with anyone. But "fraud"? Come on.

 

Yes. Lots of talent, but crude despite being able to look precise at points, no poise and a poor defence. I have no issue's with his chin anymore though.

Where are all the people who were saying he's a future ATG after the Hopkins and Wright fights? I guess reality hit them in the face after Ouma and Spinks and Pavlik, but I was saying this well before then, he's not even an ELITE A level in the sport period, much less deserving that type of ridiculous hype.

And even then.... he lost to who despite fighting the best fight he could? Pavlik.....

Big ****ing step up from Pavlik to real elite fighters, that ought to give somebody an indication of where Taylor stands.

It would not under normal circumstance, but when he held the title, it was a fraudulent reign from the start and backed by big money to build on something that was not there. He himself is not a fraud, but the entity that was Jermain Taylor for those two tortorous years that he was MW champ was as fraudulent as the next reign. A 'Sven Ottke lite' if you will with massive overhyping.

I also call it fraudulent for the establishment to overhype lesser fighters than better fighters, as he's not even that marketable. The guy cannot even speak correctly and I'm not talking about the studder, even if he didn't have the studdering problem, he's a horrible talker and of limited intelligence, he's not very exciting in the ring and his general charisma is not marketable.

But mainly going back to the 3 gift decision's that everybody somehow accepts to start off his title run, then all that followed, it was a fraudulent reign.

 

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That's better. Still not exactly what I expected though. I was about to PM you to make sure you were OK.

 

I might not agree with everything stated but i see where you're coming from. But i think you are being a bit politically correct in this one. You really think JT is trash don't you? Just admit that you think he won't do squat at SMW. :good