What's with all this talk about Jermain Taylor being a fraud?

Despite losing I thought JT looked a class act against Pavlik

 

Bhwahahahaha at your new avatar my man! That is funny as ****.:rofl

 

No, he's a good solid fighter when everything averages out, but he's not an elite fighter and I'm talking from a MW point of view. In the 80's he'd have been a gate keeper or so.

At SMW, lots of really good fighters, better than Pavlik... do the math.

You guys don't know the SMW's well because it's mostly Euro, well I know it well, I know how to rate fighters. Andrade at SMW is every bit as effective as Pavlik at MW, when adding in all factors. Pavlik has the better skills, the timing is near the same, Andrade's a better jaw etc.

You won't agree with that, but Andrade would starch Pavlik at SMW and likely grind down and beat Taylor. This is my personal opinion.

Don't even get me started on the better of SMW like Mundine, Bute and Kessler. They are all very good fighters, better than Taylor, but they will never recieve the type of piggy bank promotion Taylor did and therefore won't get moved along like Taylor did. I don't care if you disagree, this is painfully obvious to some people.

 

That's what gets me about you. The way you think that some of the Euro fighters are so much better than guys like Pavlik and Taylor as if they can't even be mentioned in the same sentence. I can't change what you feel. I saw Andrade in his last fight and i was impressed. Very relentless like Pavlik. Looks like he can take a punch. But for you to just ASSUME that him fighting lesser guys will translate into the same success against guys like Pavlik and Taylor is wrong IMO.

Only time will tell who is correct. :good

 

Amsterdam,

And you and other Euros were the ones who said Hopkins had no chance against Calzaghe and that he would be lucky to win a round. I, on the other hand, did pick Hopkins but thought it would be a very competitive fight. And i think had Hopkins not gased and had the stamina like he did in every previous fight in his career, he would've won a UD.

 

Thats the kicker though, I don't feel Stieglitz is a better opponent than Taylor or Pavlik, nobody would, Stieglitz however is better than Ouma at 160 and Miranda IMO and both Taylor and Pavlik looked more vulnerable against those guys than Andrade did with Stieglitz.

The way Andrade handled Stieglitz should at least put him on level with Taylor or Pavlik, even if they were to beat him. Taylor can beat Andrade, but Pavlik being backed up would be having major issue's, especially with that chin.

I don't assume or favour any nationality, I just rate fighters and become a fan of who I like. But I hate unfairness.

If you can agree that Andrade's at least in the realm of Taylor and Pavlik on H2H ability, then just imagine what Kessler does to either of them, being that he shut Andrade out 12 rounds to 0. But nobody rates that win, even with how beautifully dominant it was, that's ridiculous IMO.

Underrated to Overrated, unfairness, get it?

 

I'll be back to discuss this later, I have to go to work.

Good to have a meaningful discussion with you.:good

 

You know this type of talking falls right into the category I said, and you took "offense" to.:tong

 

Euro fighters are more overhyped then American ones. Perfect example: Ricky Hatton! Everyone from England said he was gonna KO Mayweather. What a joke ! Hatton looked like an amateur.

 

Not my own work. Supplied reluctlantly by someone who is a Hatton fan. But even he thinks it's funny.

 

Let me add that Hopkins has the type of style where, if you watch his fight only live, it's easier to score it for his opponent, who is usually much more active. It's easier to see workrate no matter how ineffective it may be. But watch his fights over again more closely and you will start to see the subtle things that Hopkins does to either land cleaner shots and make people miss. Ring generalship.

I will admit that when i first saw the fight live, i scored it 7-5 for Calzaghe. I was caught up in his work rate. I have watched the fight two more times more closely and had it 6-6 in both. And i feel that had Hopkins not gased, he would've won a UD. The judges are also caught up in workrate. They don't get to re-watch the fights and score it again.