What's with these scared ass american HWs?

Austin maybe not such a good example. He was jabbing and fighting back, plus it was a very short fight.

 

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Dude, you know nothing of history. Go back to fornicating with yourself to Lady Gaga videos and leave the historical discussions of the sweet science to the adults on this forum. Of course, you could decide to put your big-boy pants on and do some research into the storied history of boxing----nahh, so much easier to just get high.

 

Has the heavy weight division ever been shittier?

I'm asking. I don't go as far back with boxing as most on this site.

Can anyone recall an era when this division was more ****ing lame?

 

overrated!

 

Holmes era all the way up to Tyson and the Byrd championship era just for starters.

 

The top dogs of the division, the K-bros make the rest of the division look like crap by their very dominance. The same thing happened back in Ali's heyday. Everybody thought he sucked because he ran away from his opponents and beat them up with his jab and fast combos. Everybody waited for a real tough guy to come along and knock his butt out but it never really happened. He was that damned good.

 

These jabs are not ur typical pitty patty range finders that everyone is used to. They are coming full steam with POP. Thats why everyone freezez up.

 

Well saidlol: Their heads get knocked back like they were nailed by an overhead right and they get this really concerned expression on their faces. Like, what do i do now? Then their game plan tends to go out the window and survival mode sets in.

 

Well what a bull. As if Tyson , Lewis, Holifield didn't dominate because they were better that the rest. Of course they did, thas how you dominate. If you are not better than the rest then you can only win by luck: Douglas, Rahman, Sanders, etc.

 

No, I know nothing of boxing history, which is why I asked you about pre and post fight with Foreman and Young-which you are unintelligent enough to consider insignificant, seemingly. Because it was just a completely random ****ing question I was throwing out with no knowledge of why it might be relevant whatsoever. That sounds likely. Oh, and which person did either Wladimir or Vitali beat that convinces you they are not only in Foreman's league but should be favored against him again? Because I must have missed it. I should warn you, any name you can pull out of your ass from their record will be met with one of these "".

 

Do you know anything about Foreman's early career, about how awkward he was, how he was badly outboxed by early opponents but got the knockout to earn the victory due to his huge punch. Some Italian dude whose name I'm not going to look up for you, I just remember the fight, totally outboxed and humiliated the young Foreman round after round before Big George got the lucky K.O. He finally perfected his patended left jab and began to box well by the time he faced Frazier. Hell, Wlad knew how to box behind a battering ram left jab when he was a 16 year old Soviet standout amateur prodigy. You know nothing of boxing history either in the U.S. or in the old Soviet union. Only a fool would try to compare Foreman's boxing skill with the masterclass boxing finesse of Wlad Klitschko. Foreman was a heavyhanded, teaktough, ironchinned warrior with tremendous heart but was no boxing craftsman. Again, do some research and try to learn something of the sweet science. You are obviously a fan.

 

The life must be VERY simple for you guys who absolutely never ever have any doubts and are always inerrably right and always know absolutely for certain what would have happenend if...

Si tacuisses, philosophus mansisses...

 

Plenty. Just as I know it's intellectually dishonest to slant things in the manner of Wladimir's ability at sixteen when Foreman's start in the sport was so late. I did not compare their boxing ability specifically, actually. And Foreman was an amateur prodigy himself if you realize his late start and short amateur career ending in a gold medal-as Wlad's did. Wlad had far, far more time in the amateurs with far, far more fights and grooming. But you cannot compare wins over Chagaev and Ibragimov (though very good fighters) over the devastating annihilations of Frazier and Norton. Again, who did either Klitschko defeat on Foreman's level? I'm not talking about just skill, but as a total package. Who? Sam Peter? Chris Arreola? Ruslan Chagaev? No. Who?

Also, you keep making assumptions about my knowledge of the sport, which are comical to me because of how wrongful they are. Do some research and try to learn? I have had decades of time put into my love of the sport, thank you very much. If you cannot disagree with someone without the implication that they are ignorant, I don't know how you get along with people in the real world, if in fact you do. Perhaps you should spend less time telling other people what they think, and don't know and what they should do about it and more time working out your apparently interesting interpersonal issues.:good

 

Spare me the psychological mumbojumbo. "Interpersonal issues"? You sound kinda fey but whatever. To each his own. Norton was a jello-jawed fighter who got iced by every hard puncher he ever faced. Shavers and even the hapless Cooney crushed him with power punches as would have Wlad but in a much more clinical manner. Frazier was not even 6 feet in height and would be in a world of hurt against a prime i.e. today's Wlad as he was overmatched against the much bigger and stronger Foreman. Wlad's best victories are against Chagaev, an undefeated pro with a storied amateur career, undefeated powerpuncher Sam Peter, undefeated at the time and fellow giant Jameel Mcline and the whippings he gave to both slick, crafty boxers Byrd and Eddie Chambers were impressive. I see these latter two as modern day Jimmy Youngs, the same type of teak tough, crafty speedy boxer that rocked Foreman's world and gave him religion.