What's with these scared ass american HWs?

Because they're the ones tasting the Klitschko's power and you're the one typing, simple as that.

These guys all try but once they get nailed it all goes out the window and it's not courage related it's being cautious and trying to survive long enough to TRY and exploit any mistake they try their best to bait the Klitschkos in yet still can't do it. If they charge in reckless ignoring all plans in training camp they only get KO'd earlier. It's really not easy to get in either Klitschkos and if you can't see that these guys are very defensive as well and have extremely difficult defense to exploit then you need to learn more about their fighting styles.

Austin tried and got destroyed early, he did try to do something but obviously failed and Wladimir didn't even need to use more than one hand to win that fight. Austin is a tomato can to be honest, take a look at how he was throwing punching against Golota, a woman wouldn't be that wild.

Johnson was there to put on ******ed faces though he did land some awesome counters baiting Klitschko in with those faces but then just stopped, I agree that Johnson at least could have tried more in a major opportunity like that but as you saw he didn't want to take a risk and left the loser even though he did bust Vitali up. If Arreola was able to bust him like that the way Johnson did with those counters he would have been all over him nonstop, Johnson just didn't care and is better off serving in burger King alongside James Toney.

Chambers tried in my opinion but tasted a right hand early and was hurt from it, he was forced to go defensive from there or get KO'd early and he obviously doesn't want to get KO'd early and decided that hitting the canvas late was better. Isn't obvious to you that Klitschko carrying his one punch KO power even in the 12th was enough sign that Chambers KNEW how powerful he was?, I know you're the one munching on Cheetos behind the TV but wasn't that obvious enough?

Thompson I must agree with you as well, he had a VERY good chance and actually troubled Wladimir but didn't bite, he could have thrown a straight left BLINDLY and he would catch Wladimir. Wladimir was SO off that night Thompson couldn't DREAM of a better opportunity that this and he just didn't bite and faded late. Wladimir was clearly stepping in the position to be hit with a left all damn night and whenever Thompson threw that punch he landed it and his trainer begged him all the way to keep that punch going but Thompson didn't want to.

Rahman also tried, the amount of punishment he took was the proof he just couldn't get in. Even against a motivated prepared Lewis in the rematch he was lost and was barely able to land anything worth mentioning. It's really not easy for a short man to get in a taller guy who also has very good speed, timing and serious power, it's more like a nightmare and to overcome that takes far more than Rahman obviously had to offer.

Above all, instead of blaming these guys for losing like they did on purpose why don't you give credit to the ones that put them in that situation?, weren't the Klitschko's the ones to trouble them and beat them?, why no credit for these guys?

Oh wait, did you just say they make Clottey look like Gatti as a joke?, who did I type all this to?, a puppet would understand this post better. I hope someone translates this to an idiot like you.

 

Actually, you can remove both Klits and the heavyweight would look a lot more exciting:yep. The bros are just that dominating. The rest can make a better performance fighting each other.

The klits are just levels above the current stock of fighters.:deal

 

Tucker Lyakhovich
Ruddock Haye
Morrison Chagaev
Mercer Gomez
Bowe Povetkin
Mavrovic Bidenko
Moorer Ibragimov
Tua Arreola
Briggs Valuev
Mccall Virchis
Bruno Peter

Newcomers like Boytsov, Adamek, Helenius, Pulev, Glazkov, Solis. This era is fine.

Guys like Byrd Golota Maskaev overlap era's.

You really think those are all that incompatible and that the 90's guys are a level above? Come on now.

 

Jimmy Young gave him religion? Not extreme dehydration? I wonder what Foreman's doctor would think of that statement. And yeah, Cooney was very hapless, (Watch him fight Holmes and keep him honest) knocked out a past it Norton. Should I bother to point out that you were tearing down Foreman in a conversation comparing he and Wlad because he had trouble with a guy he knocked out early in his career, while at the same time it's as if Puritty never existed. atsch And Frazier's height? That's what you've got against a HOF heavyweight victory? His height? Which didn't even represent as much a disparity as Wlad's to Chagaev's? Spectacular argument. Really. It's like you're handing me a straw man as a gift. Which I didn't need.

There is no hope for you. Illogical, irrational, fanboy. By the way, I happen to like Wladdy...but no so much as to stop using my brain regarding career contexts. Foreman fought in the richest HW era by general consensus. Then came back and became the linear champion again. Wlad just recently became the disputed lineal champion (didn't have to beat an existing one) during a very so-so era. Foreman took his first loss to Muhammad Ali after going 40-0 and destroying the future HOF undefeated champion. Wlad took his first loss to Ross Puritty, then you have Sanders and Brewster. On a technical level Puritty couldn't toss Young's salad, by the way, let alone Ali's. Please, you do your research and don't get back to me when you're done, because you're too thick to absorb anything anyway. Ending discussion. :hi:

 

Good points. Last I checked, Povetkin was still ducking his mandatory shot at Wlad too.

 

Chagaev took his beating like a man imo.

Ibragimov was a disgrace.

Povetkin knowing he needed to try and improve (headmovement,footwork) which he is trying to do doesn't equal scared imo. He's fighting Volodymyr next and will give it his all i'm sure.

my 2 cents.

 

Not only that, but Wladimir in particular has the advantage of throwing his shots downward -- he's got a lot more weight behind his shots due to the height advantage he usually has over his opponents.

Tony Thompson had no power to trouble Wladimir with. He also wasn't nearly as experienced as Wladimir either. Yet he was able to force a different kind of fight out of Wladimir compared to those shorter guys like Chagaev, Ibragimov, Chambers, Byrd, Castillo, Peter, Brewster II, Rahman, and Brock.

A massive height advantage in Wlad's favor is something almost impossible to overcome now. That is why Steward likes training tall guys. Wlad would never lose to today's version of Tua. I also think Haye will have a LOT of trouble with him.

If Tony Thompson had a lot more power, some more athleticism, and faster hands, he would have probably been able to do a lot better than any Wlad opponent since Sanders. But he had none of those attributes and quit inside the distance. He still gave Wlad a good workout though. Size and weight classes do matter in boxing, if everything else is equal or not.

A shorter man from the current crop of heavies has almost no hope of beating Steward's Wlad. No one has Prime Tyson or Frazier's attributes/skillset against tall guys. Steward teaches Wlad how to use his size advantage and leverage against the hapless match-ups put in front of him nowadays.

I would have loved to have seen a fight between a Prime Lewis or Prime Vitali against any version of Wladimir. Even a Prime Holyfield would shake things up. A prime Tyson match-up needs no discussion.

Those fantasy fights are never going to happen though.

 

I have no idea if it's true or not but it does seem to be the general sentiment that Teddy Atlas got a hold of a perfectly confident Povetkin and spooked the **** out of him. Which is funny because Teddy always struck me as being very biased against the Klitschko brothers.

 

You mean like Mccline and Jefferson did? Both 6'6 both athletic and Jefferson could bang, didn't help either though.

 

No, I mean like a Tony Thompson with the attributes I mentioned, which I specifically stated.

McCline is just a big guy. He doesn't have the rest of the tools. Neither did Jefferson or Ray Austin. They were also big guys. They didn't have the ability or the tools to give Wladimir a fight. They have the ability to give him an exhibition match. "Rainman" Austin in particular was slow as ****. Tony Thompson did not have the tools either, but he did well against Wlad imo considering he has no power.

The Wlad that Tony Thompson fought and the version that McCline and Jefferson fought are not even the same fighter, stylistically. Wlad was not able to keep Thompson at bay just by jabbing for 3 minutes of every round. Pre-Steward Wladimir TKOed McCline and Jefferson with power shots. He was a different fighter to train for than today's Wlad. Wlad is a good fighter in general, but he is blessed that there is not another big man out there with the tools that his brother has, or a Prime Lennox Lewis.

Ibragimov's fight with Wlad was infamous, but he did all he could do, being the much smaller man. Ibragimov clearly had problems mounting an attack against Wlad due to the size difference. We could say Sultan should have opened up to allow Wladimir to catch him, but we could also say Wladimir could have imposed his will a lot more to force the stoppage. But he won, so that's what matters.

To Wladimir's credit, he fights tall and does it consistently better than any other fighter out there. He has barely even taken a punch in his last 7 or 8 fights. That is tremendous. You can't beat what you can't hit. Can Alexander Povetkin score on Wlad with reasonable frequency? Can he land enough to make a fight out of it? We will find out.

Alexander Povetkin is more skilled than anyone else Wlad has fought since losing to Brewster imo.


EDIT: I didn't read Scar's post until just now, but everything he said about the Thompson fight is spot on.

 

David Haye will spark either of the Klits. He won`t fight like a petrified rabbit al a Chambers,Johnson,Austin etc...

 

The Klitschkos are clearly the best in the division.
Wlad should be critizised much more for his holding, though. It´s not only the opponents spoiling the fight with their defensive approach, but Wlad too. His older brother doesn´t need the shitty holding and locking the opponents up. Isn´t this amount of holding against the rules?
But where are heavyweights with a decent footwork not only on the defense but on the offense as well? That is needed to give a Klitschko some trouble.

 

Delusional or what :rofl

 

Don't worry, I fixed your comment again. I'm getting tired of doing that. Make sure it's right next time.

 

Very juvenile. :-(