What's worse: nostalgia or anti-old timer bias?

Whats dangerous are these posters who think that modern technique equals smarter and more athletic as if the old timers were to primitive to even learn it. There is a prevalent bias in the media that claims the U.S. population is more politically, physically, mentally evolved than thier forriegn neighbors. All this stems from the prevalent University teachings that prehistoric human races such as Neanderthal and H.erectus were wiped out by the more evolved Cro Magnon man--no wonder we are hated. However, when you put our best athletes with all their scientifically advanced technique, sports medicine, steroids, equipment, etc..... they still cant beat the socalled primitive forriegn neighbors.

 

You can't find a video of a flabby Larry Holmes jabbing, nothing but jabbing, at a flabby opponent who only wants to clinch in a fifteen round title fight. They appeared to have made the silent agreement not to hurt each other.

That's what my memory keeps giving me though.

Boxing was really rank back then until Tyson came along and made it exciting again. He was all action and intensity. Opponents were scared of Tyson because he didn't give a **** about no silent agreement.

At least today's heavyweights, the top ones, at least look fit.

 

Furthermore, there are good arguments that life is devolving. Even with all of today's modern technology its no more than improvements that have continued since its original invention from years ago or often thousands of years ago. We dont see inventors like Faraday, Newton, Pasteur, Edison, etc..
Then go back to the ancient Babylonian, Egyptians, and Greeks and you will see inventors even more amazing.

As for as physical attributes one must consider that today we are viewing the top athletes from a vastly greater population with vastly greater amount of sport organization. However there is overwelming evidence that modern man and beast has deminished in robustness overe the years. Do a search on the bigger brained, bigger boned, bigger musceled Neanderthal. Actually one could do a search on almost any modern critter and they will find a greatly more robust ancestor from the fossil record.

All life is deminishing-its called the law of thermodynamics and entropy. Even vegatables of today have lost huge percentages of their mineral content over the last 50 years. The sun is deminishing, the earths spin is slowing, ocean currents are slowing, the earth's internal heat is cooling, the magnetic field is weakening, the hydrologic cycle is drying up etc.......

 

Yeah and if you ever get a chance to ask Tyson or most any great boxer or boxing trainer; I bet they will tell you that they believe boxers from the past would beat most today.

 

Sure, Michael Spinks, Rocky Marciano, Larry Holmes, nobody has a remote chance against those guys.

 

Well I do believe in miracles so sure why not?

 

most of the guys who believe in the old timer myth look at records. the ones who don't buy into the old timer myth look at a fighter's actual ability.

 

Now thats a judgement call if I ever did seen one. I think we've all seen Holmes, Spinks and Marciano fight and if they were fighting today in their prime they would probably clean up. On the other hand Tyson cant be considered much more modern than Spinks-so its a poor argument and Spinks definately did not look himself that night

 

I can't stand the no one beats Ali **** from the 90s+ era.

I almost feel you have to base it off eras in terms of greatness, advances in nutrition and humans have evolved into bigger stronger beings. The AVG HW is 220, the avg HW back in Marcianos day were 185-195. I just dont see Rocky beating Vitali. Ever. And I juust dont see Ali boxing circles around him either.



But then again I do bash the old timers a bit but I get sick of the no one will ever be as great as the SRR, SRL, Ali.

I almost feel like this, why box and fight for legacy when no one in the world will ever say you are the best P4P all time, its an unreachable mark if you think about it.

 

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Looks real fit to me.

 

You know that Pernell Whitaker threw a shitload of punches, right? It's like a newsflash everytime Spinks throws a punch; Whitaker was one of the most active fighters I've ever seen.

 

atsch What a bad example to use. You think every heavyweight that fought back in the day was fit to? Give me a break.

 

When did I say that every heavyweight that fought "back in the day" was fit? He said that the top heavyweights at least look fit. They obviously don't.

And, on the whole, heavyweights from this era are in terrible shape compared with almost any previous era.

 

Marciano eating a bunch of leather from a 180lb guy, and getting his face beat in, really makes me think he could take out Tyson, Tua, Brewster, Sanders, Klitschko. Holmes throwing sharp jabs at a turtles pace makes me think a contemporary would have no chance whatsoever. Remember when Michael Spinks was champ? Now that was a phenomenal time in heavyweight boxing. Lennox Lewis vs Joe Louis? No contest? RJJ vs Billy Conn? Forget about it. The old timers have it in spades...:smooch